Tariffs

rest assured, i have read every post and i think everyone has done a good job of playing in the sandbox together. i have read most about the pros + cons of tariffs while avoiding many of the common political pitfalls we see on the evening news. we have talked about how the tariffs touch each of us, some have talked about what POTUS has done but have stopped short of commenting on him directly or the us vs. them we see on the news. my comment is to keep it light and we shall all eventually get through this. what this thread has done is to give a small forum to releasing frustration - i know one member who hasn't posted in this thread who was fighting to avoid a major hit to the wallet ... so i think this thread allows one to share in the sorrow without having to pay for it and perhaps help others release a bit.
 
Probably repeating the sentiment of @rsporsche ...While I totally get the desire to not delve into politics the fact is that these economic gyrations affect all of us, because all of us have to, in one way or another, buy European goods. So it is a worthwhile discussion as long as we refrain, as much as we might want too, from attacking the party that is imposing, or at least allowing, the imposition of these policies,,,
 
I, being affected in a different way, read with a lot of interest the opinions and thoughts of a different audience than my everyday colleagues

On a parallel note I understand that you are reading European, canadian, or other countries’ forums, to learn what the rest of the world thinks about what is being done in the USA
 
I also find it fascinating that Liz Truss is still blamed for UK's problems even though she was the PM for like 49 minutes?! ;)
 
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In her brief 49 minutes in office, Liz Truss accomplished so much. Not!!!!

Waaay off this Off Topic post. Am I the only one who winces when I see Liz's last name? "Truss, a device with a pad used to support a hernia and prevent it from protruding."

See. I told you it was waaay off .
 
Well, well, well...learned a lot about a lot of the members here. I feel like the majority of you are not in favor of reciprocal tariffs and you feel like the old status quo has been working out just fine for us (us being the US). $36T in debt and counting, all fiat currency not backed by anything, largely based on the public's faith in the countries issuer (normally the central bank or government). I for one don't have much "faith" anymore in our government in this matter. Where our tax dollars have been going is mind blowing the amount of waste, fraud and lined politicians pockets (both sides). Sometimes it is good to put all this in perspective and visit the good ol' U.S. National Debt Clock and all the other bits of info on there, it is mind boggling where all our hard earned tax dollars has gone and are going at an exponential rate. Most people have no idea how much a Billion dollars is, let alone a $1T. Obviously all unsustainable.


So, do we keep going down this reckless path? Or somehow get back to what this countries founders wanted, a free trade economy? Has this rollout been spectacular in it's execution for change in trade policies, absolutely not. But this is a monumental task with many moving pieces as many of you have described through personal experiences. It is interesting the degree and nuances of all of your personal experiences thus far. We are obviously in the early stages and it is anyone's guess right now where this all takes us.

I for one would love to get to more of a free trade economy. A simple definition of a free trade economy involves minimal involvement in international trade, allowing countries to exchange goods and services without tariffs, quotas or other barriers. That is music to my ears. Minimal Government intervention in anything is typically a great thing (to me). I rarely site the Britannica but for a fairly non-bias definition about free trade, here it is.


I realize this is probably a pipe dream at this point, but it makes total sense to me. I would love to hear from all the Wharton, MIT, Oxford chums on that. Which BTW, interjecting all that seemed extremely arrogant, at the very least annoying. It's one thing to recommend a good mechanic based off of proper BMW Tech training and certs, it's another on a vintage coupe board to have to explain yourself like that. Just my opinion. Obviously most people on here are extremely intelligent, and of course have impeccable taste in cars, but...common, we (e9coupe.com members in particular) have all gotten to our positions in life not because we are dummies, how we get here are varied paths, one not better than the other.

On a very relevant note, I reached out to Ivo from the Netherlands that sold his latest Malaga coupe on BaT so see exactly what happened with the tariff situation on whether he had to eat the costs or not and how much the tariffs (if anything out of the norm) actually were. I will report back the finding on this thread and the BaT Malaga thread where that topic started. That situation was a little unique since it was originally a US coupe with a CA title. So, there may have been a loophole he found but any information I think will be golden for all of us.

BS/PHD (Bull $h!t Piled Higher and Deeper) - Nachty
 
Which BTW, interjecting all that seemed extremely arrogant, at the very least annoying. It's one thing to recommend a good mechanic based off of proper BMW Tech training and certs, it's another on a vintage coupe board to have to explain yourself like that. Just my opinion. Obviously most people on here are extremely intelligent, and of course have impeccable taste in cars, but...common, we (e9coupe.com members in particular) have all gotten to our positions in life not because we are dummies, how we get here are varied paths, one not better than the other.
I think the listing of degrees began as a joke when one post included his degree to somehow support/strengthen his position. Many of us did indeed see that as arrogant, so we all started doing it to poke fun at the OP... I doubt that anyone other than the OP actually thought they wer adding veracity to their opinions by doing that...

To your point about free trade, part of the issue with the tariffs is their basis, which seems to be aimed at reducing trade deficits... but trade deficits occur everywhere, as some have suggested, we have a trade deficit with the grocery store, with W-N, etc... Moreover, even if these tariffs result in returning manufacturing to the US (which, as they are currently structured they will not), any manufacturing here will likely be highly automated, and thus will not create lots of conventional manufacturing jobs.. So it is hard to see the rationale.

The actual $36T debt is not a result of trade. It is a result of over spending and under taxing. Indiscriminately cutting 50% of the federal workforce will save a paltry 2.5% of the budget, hardly worth the disruption in actual services to the citizenry. To REALLY reduce the deficit will require large ticket spending, and increasing the income tax rate, especially on the highest earners. Cutting medicare and/or social security, aside from being politically disastrous would result in huge dIsruption in the population, and there is a strong case to be made that that money was taken from the citizens on the basis of the promised services that would be provided. To reneg on that promise seems illegal as well as unfair to every single person who has worked for a living. So the next high expense is defense.. Which is currently radically higher than even our greatest adversaries (about 3-4X what China spends, and nearly 10X what Russia spends).
 
For me:

BA degree in English and Journalism from Duquesne University
MA degree in English from Carnegie Mellon University
Partially completed PhD in English from the University of Pennsylvania(One semester, left over the pomposity of the Grad School Chair)

So there.
Hey, go finish that PhD instead of wasting your time with 70s cars :)...
 
I do not think the thread has been political at all, and at this time I would not even know which side to support politically.
I think the pattern we see here is that 70s classic car aficionados are mostly middle age and above, and as such we see rapid change, and in particular chaos, as a threat. We may not have the time to recover from such changes, so we may prefer a well understood system and world, even if flawed.
A person that revers a car with carbs, poor safety, 18MPG, that rusts, is by definition a bit conservative in the sense that we value more enjoying what things are rather than wanting badly to change them. In that sense I think we are mostly in the camp that wishes this had not happened.
 
I do not think the thread has been political at all, and at this time I would not even know which side to support politically.
I think the pattern we see here is that 70s classic car aficionados are mostly middle age and above, and as such we see rapid change, and in particular chaos, as a threat. We may not have the time to recover from such changes, so we may prefer a well understood system and world, even if flawed.
A person that revers a car with carbs, poor safety, 18MPG, that rusts, is by definition a bit conservative in the sense that we value more enjoying what things are rather than wanting badly to change them. In that sense I think we are mostly in the camp that wishes this had not happened.
I agree, but perhaps for slightly different reasons.

While I may not have any degrees in economics or political science, I do know that, just as with our precious cars, fixing broken things is best done deliberately, with a steady hand, and precise tools. You cannot restore a Coupe by bashing it to pieces and then seeing what's left over. My intuition is that the same goes for one's home finances, personal relationships, economies, trade, supply chains, and government.. Even if partial dismantling is warranted, one doesn't just tear into any of these things blindly and aggressively... And therein, in my opinion, regardless of the actual policies, lies the most current issue.
 
For us shops buying goods from outside the USA, we have to supply a EIN number to the shipper. We pay the customs fees if we want to get delivery and the shipper notifies the State of California Franchise Tax Board so that we pay our local sales tax.
Currently that rate is 10.75%

Those of you who are paying for your foreign goods via PayPal should examine the fees that PayPal charges for international payments….

They take a percentage of the transaction, a fixed fee and a conversion percentage. (4%)

Hint - it’s a lot!

“PayPal charges international fees when sending money internationally.These fees can include a percentage of the transaction, a fixed fee, and a conversion fee if the currency is different. Specific fees vary based on the payment method and the sender/recipient location. “
 

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Thank you Tom.

Lately- I’m getting packages sent to me from Europe marked as “Gift” and marked “Abandon if undeliverable “

Walloth is UPS thankfully.

I have made adjustments at my shops- no new business. Finish the cars in queue with supplies on hand. Draw down my inventories and accumulate cash.
I’m no longer comfortable with the future of our business environment. I’m not betting my money on uncertainty.

I’m leaving for Europe next week until this summer. Going to get one of those passport covers and backpacks they sell now with a Canadian maple leaf embossed on them. Apologies to the Canadian people….
 
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For us shops buying goods from outside the USA, we have to supply a EIN number to the shipper. We pay the customs fees if we want to get delivery and the shipper notifies the State of California Franchise Tax Board so that we pay our local sales tax.
Currently that rate is 10.75%

Those of you who are paying for your foreign goods via PayPal should examine the fees that PayPal charges for international payments….

They take a percentage of the transaction, a fixed fee and a conversion percentage. (4%)

Hint - it’s a lot!

“PayPal charges international fees when sending money internationally.These fees can include a percentage of the transaction, a fixed fee, and a conversion fee if the currency is different. Specific fees vary based on the payment method and the sender/recipient location. “
....did you try "Wise", might be cheaper
 
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