They are standard E9 alloys so yes, 6J. The photo of Dick's car shows it on the same wheels on 205s, I guess it's down to the individual, they do fit but may not be recommended by some manufacturers.
195/70VR14 Pirelli Cinturato CN36
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The calculator I use recommends a 5-7" wide rim for a 205 70 14. Others may show different
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Same here on my 205’s
@Dougal Cawley - we do have a thread on tire / wheel sizes + options in the FAQ forum ... and Longstone is listed as a source for classic tires
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14" Wheels Tire Size Chart > 175/14 –- dia. 24.7”, width 7" / tread width 4.8", circ 77.7”, rev / mile = 834 195/70-14 -– dia. 24.7”, width 7.9" / tread width 5.7", circ 77.7”, rev / mile = 839 205/70-14 -- dia. 25.1", width 8.2" / tread width 6.7", rev / mile = 821 225/60-14 -- 24.7”, width...
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Dougal Cawley
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That falken has the wrong kind of carcass structure for your cars geometry.
Dougal Cawley
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Going 205/70 isn't such a bad thing, but fitting a period tyre will make a big improvement to the handling and ride of your car. they are quite different things to a modern tyre which is built to be fitted to a completley different kind of mechanics.
we have the Michelin XWX on the shelf which has i think from memory a 1624 date code on it and we will be getting the Pirelli Cinturato CN36 back in stock soon
CSBM5
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Dial the clock back 42 years to the BMWCCA Oktoberfest 1982. I had 7x14 Rial wheels with the then just released 205/70-14 Goodyear Eagle GT. Here's a pic in the paddock at Lime Rock. I won the Best Bavaria award which was started that year and ran for a few years (basically until Bavarias didn't show up anymore I guess). Just a couple of years later I switched to 16" wheels (Rial 8x16 with 225/50-16 all around) once they became more readily available.
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@Dougal Cawley , thank you so much for letting us know about the CN36 195/70x14. Good news for a lot of people. You also sent a note to the E3 Club, good idea, hardly anyone in the E3 Club uses this forum. Quite a few members, mostly Germans, use 205/70x14, usually XWX. Some others would not use anything else than the CN36. If these are willing to reduce tyre width they will be very happy now.
I cannot say whether BMW ever fitted the E3 with the CN36 or not. Michelin 195/70x14, then X, then XWX, were available as factory option roughly from September 1971 until September 1973. During that time, you could also order 195/70x14 radial tyres, HR or VR, without specified manufacturer. In September 1973 the Michelin option was dropped. As I understand it, the XWX option was never available for the 3.0 Si, maybe because the 3.0 Si intially ran on tyres with belts.
One funny thing we noticed some time ago 205 tyres lift the car up more than expected compared to 195. We had two otherwise identical E9 at the shop, both XWX on 7" radial spoke, one with fresh 205, one with old but hardly used 195. The difference in height was surprisingly large.
On a personal note, my E3 runs on Dunlop SP Sport Classic 195/70x14 for nearly 30'000 kms now, motorways, country roads, British country roads, heavy rain and so on. Please don't tell me the Dunlop are disastrous because I really love them.
@Dougal Cawley , thank you so much for letting us know about the CN36 195/70x14. Good news for a lot of people. You also sent a note to the E3 Club, good idea, hardly anyone in the E3 Club uses this forum. Quite a few members, mostly Germans, use 205/70x14, usually XWX. Some others would not use anything else than the CN36. If these are willing to reduce tyre width they will be very happy now.
I cannot say whether BMW ever fitted the E3 with the CN36 or not. Michelin 195/70x14, then X, then XWX, were available as factory option roughly from September 1971 until September 1973. During that time, you could also order 195/70x14 radial tyres, HR or VR, without specified manufacturer. In September 1973 the Michelin option was dropped. As I understand it, the XWX option was never available for the 3.0 Si, maybe because the 3.0 Si intially ran on tyres with belts.
One funny thing we noticed some time ago 205 tyres lift the car up more than expected compared to 195. We had two otherwise identical E9 at the shop, both XWX on 7" radial spoke, one with fresh 205, one with old but hardly used 195. The difference in height was surprisingly large.
On a personal note, my E3 runs on Dunlop SP Sport Classic 195/70x14 for nearly 30'000 kms now, motorways, country roads, British country roads, heavy rain and so on. Please don't tell me the Dunlop are disastrous because I really love them.
@Christoph, i don't think anybody is going to tell you that Dunlop Sport Classics are disastrous - very good classic tires, and one of the ones that i have listed in the FAQ - wheels + tires. i am glad to hear that your opinion is exceptional.
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Cheers Christoph
My contacting the club about these tyres and banging on on forums and facebook is viewed in different ways. Some people think it is dreadful advertising and shouldn't be allowed. However, all though i wouldn't argue that it isn't advertising, i hope it is predominantly informative. When it boils down to it, i think you guys want to know there is a new tyre choice. When a tyre comes out this social media is an accurate way of informing people that are interested that there is now a new tyre.
I often come accross problems when a new tyre comes out, in that maybe a few years ago a lot of research was done by people into what is the best tyre from the options available at the time. They spread the word and then people can get stuck in their ways. A decision was made. However what makes the best tyre available is relative to what tyres are available at the time, and when another tyre becomes available, what is best can change. With this CN36 what we have is a tyre of the correct size made with the correct kind of carcass, by one of the worlds best tyre manufacturers. The CN36 has to be a stong contender.
A difficulty i have when it comes to discussing tyres is that i do occasionally come accross arguments from people that are difficult and they can be scientifically and mathematically proven wrong. yet refuse to accept it:-
- "i took off the 14" wheels and fitted a tyre that had the same diameter on 16" wheels and the ride was better" - no it wasn't. if the tyre side wall is not as tall, the ride is not as good. (if the side wall is rounded like a period tyre that makes the ride even better)
- "i took off the 195 section tyres and fitted 225 section and the steering was no heavier" - that just isn't possible. I am not a big enough nerd to know if an E3 has power steering or not. if it does the extra load may be hidden from you, but the load is on your steering components. In those it was pretty extrordinary for a car to have a front tyre bigger than 205. The countach was on 205 section front tyres untill 1985. (a more modern tyre carcass presents more foot print to the road in relation to the section width than a classic tyre, which enhances the derogatory effects)
this is from the 1996 Michelin collection brochure. amusingly at the time they had 2 options of 195/70R14 XWX and XDX both listing a diameter of 647mm. which i think is silly because if you do the Math it should be quite a bit shorter than that. and more importantly the 200 book in a bit contradicts it. However at the time they only list the 205/70VR14 in the XDX. well i dont think that would make Ferrari Dino owners very happy.
Right this one makes a bit more sense
this is the 2000 book
so the 195/70R14 is listed as 630mm and the 205/70R14 says 644mm diameter which is more like it.
(70% of 205mm X 2 =) 287mm + (14" X 25.4 =) 356mm = 643mm
Incidentally the current range of Michelin list the diameter of the current 205/70R14 XWX as 644mm
I'm going to appologise for this next coment before i make it, but when you changed from an old tyre to a new one and were suprised by how much it raised the car - did you check the tyre pressures before you took the old ones off? that could make quite a difference. - did apologise i hope i am not teaching grandma to suck eggs and if i do i do it humbly
next point is; if you have the same tyre pressure in a bigger tyre it will sag less in the side wall, if that makes sense. I am going to make some statistics up now; maybe if you had 30psi in a 195/70 section tyre it might sag by 10% where 30psi in a 205/70 tyre might sag by 9%. don't quote those statistics, they are totally made up as an example to explain a point which i again humbly apologies for trying to sound like a smartarse.
Oo - now i am treading on dodgy ground - the new Dunlop Sport Classic.
Why didn't they make it look good? All that history Dunlop have and they just make up a new tread pattern, and give it a ridiculous modern side wall design. And then, this si the really daft bit; why do they have the word 'Classic' written on the side. That is a real school boy error.
I think they are a pretty good tyre. i don't think they are as good as the Pirelli. i don't think they are as good as the Michelin in a hot country. I think they look silly. i have the same veiw of the Vredestein. I think they had a place when they were a bargain. I think the Pirelli is a better tyre. I think it is actually a genuine period tyre and it looks good. The CN36 has the quality, the history and the looks. (as does the XWX in my mind).
If you are going 16" how a bout the P7?
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thats what the M1 fitted. It is actually a more low profile tyre that is in some way designed to go with this kind of geoemtry (but i would just put it back on 14". you aren't racing.)
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@Dougal Cawley - any idea when the cn 36 is going to be back in stock? i am looking for 4 of the 215/60-15 tires as well as 1 - 195/70-14 for the spare.
Scott - Longstone shows the 215/60-15 in stock. And you could be a little less picky on the spare, considering it would likely not be on the car for any length of time if you had to install it.
thanks Chris ... i looked a couple of weeks ago and didn't see it.
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Hi
Yes the 215/60VR15 CN36 is in stock. they have been on the shelf for a while now.
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what are you going to fit those on?
in fact we are doing pretty well for CN36 currently. the only one out of stock is the 205/70VR14 CN36
Yes the 215/60VR15 CN36 is in stock. they have been on the shelf for a while now.
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Porsche 911 on 215/60 VR15 PIRELLI CINTURATO CN36 Tyres 215/60 VR15 Tyres In 1973 with the to RS and Carrera 911 Models Porsche fitted 185/70 VR15 Pirelli Cinturato CN36 on the front moved on to a wider rear wheels to accommodate the 215/60 VR15 Pirelli Cinturato CN36 that Pirelli are now...
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what are you going to fit those on?
in fact we are doing pretty well for CN36 currently. the only one out of stock is the 205/70VR14 CN36
2800cs with 15" wheels.