FS: 1973 3.0cs/Alpina Tribute

[Stan]

I guess when compared with the price of a new 2009 6 series the price is comparable. If I had the $$$, I would rather drive a pristine classic than a new luxobarge...

But, thats me.

Merry Christmas fromthe snowy north

 

['69 2800cs]

On some of the forums I frequent, comments in for sale posts are not allowed at all. It's threads like this that make me think that's a good idea.

Posting potshots about stitching on seats and other nonsense is not only easy, it's lame. It also adds nothing to the content or atmosphere of this website.

*If* the car were being misrepresented, then comments might help others stear clear of a bad car or a bad seller.

That doesn't seem to be the case here. Someone spent a lot of money on this car, and once you drop the $105K or whatever, I'm sure you can afford a little more to put your own stamp on what "resto-modded" means to you.

Nice car, Ron. Thanks for posting it here and good luck with your sale.

 

[chicane]

[quote='69 2800cs]On some of the forums I frequent, comments in for sale posts are not allowed at all. It's threads like this that make me think that's a good idea.

Posting potshots about stitching on seats and other nonsense is not only easy, it's lame. It also adds nothing to the content or atmosphere of this website.

*If* the car were being misrepresented, then comments might help others stear clear of a bad car or a bad seller.

That doesn't seem to be the case here. Someone spent a lot of money on this car, and once you drop the $105K or whatever, I'm sure you can afford a little more to put your own stamp on what "resto-modded" means to you.

Nice car, Ron. Thanks for posting it here and good luck with your sale.[/quote]

Money is no substitute for taste. Just because someone spent a lot of money on something doesn't mean it looks good or is appropriate, case in point:

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/chrome-bmw-e46-m3

Opinions are not potshots. They are opinions and if the OP wants to post without receiving them he can do so on Hemming's or numerous other sites.

 

['69 2800cs]

They are opinions and if the OP wants to post without receiving them he can do so on Hemming's or numerous other sites.

That makes my point. Why create an environment hostile to other E9 enthusiasts?

IMO, the site is best when every E9 out there for sale is posted here. The market will decide if the price is right, and the new owner will decide if it's to his/her taste.

 

[DustyM]

[quote='69 2800cs]

They are opinions and if the OP wants to post without receiving them he can do so on Hemming's or numerous other sites.

That makes my point. Why create an environment hostile to other E9 enthusiasts?

IMO, the site is best when every E9 out there for sale is posted here. The market will decide if the price is right, and the new owner will decide if it's to his/her taste.[/quote]

I agree completely, the thread should only contain the advert and no replys. If someone feels strongly about the advert (has had a bad experience with the vendor for example) then they can always start another thread in the discussion section about the sale.

 

[DJSimca]

Money is no substitute for taste. Just because someone spent a lot of money on something doesn't mean it looks good or is appropriate, case in point:

Are you the ultimate judge on taste?

You seem to labour under the illusion that your 'honest opinion' is always called for? Your comments are mostly offensive and often prove no point other than you want to assert your right to state your 'opinion' regardless of other people's feelings.

If you don't like this car or anything about it you don't have to share this with this forum - simple don't participate in the thread. Please have some consideration for other people's work, their thoughts, ideas and feelings - before you state your 'opinions'.

 

[chicane]

You seem to labour under the illusion that your 'honest opinion' is always called for? Your comments are mostly offensive and often prove no point other than you want to assert your right to state your 'opinion' regardless of other people's feelings.

If you don't like this car or anything about it you don't have to share this with this forum - simple don't participate in the thread. Please have some consideration for other people's work, their thoughts, ideas and feelings - before you state your 'opinions'.

Now see your comments....offend me and were not called for, and prove no other point other than to hurt my feelings. Therefore I suggest you take your own advice and do not post further in this thread.

 

[RonP]

 

[chicane]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Shucks, I feel so terrible now! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go find another sandbox to play in, bully! You are a TROLL and have no business (obviously) trashing this thread. I am sure you can find some poor sole that needs some help from this fine group to crap on, so go find it!!!!!

You don't post here much so you might have missed this sticky:
http://www.e9coupe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4044

Oh and it's soul NOT sole.

 

[CSfan]

tribute?

What does tribute mean? Does it mean clone? Does it mean replica? what does it mean?

 

[chicane]

Re: tribute?

What does tribute mean? Does it mean clone? Does it mean replica? what does it mean?

Great question.

 

[RonP]

What does tribute mean? Does it mean clone? Does it mean replica? what does it mean?

Well, clone would not be a good choice of words since Alpina never made a 3.0cs. This car was thought up by the bulder as to what Alpina may have done if they were to produce such a car today. The car was actually produced 5 years ago by a wealthy individual in Japan, hence the taste differences in the end product.

 

[CSfan]

Japan!

Clone? NO? replica not? original none?

 

[Upset99]

I think this is where the confusion is....

The car is definately special and the market will decide. If someone is willing to pay out that type of money for the car, let them do it. It is not a restoration or a clone.

At first when I read a chunk of the thread, I thought maybe it would be some type of Concours car (100 points) or a Museum piece, but in reality, it is a Specialty item. Non-factory Specialty items dont command the market like Factory or Factory authorized cars do.

Perhaps the owner may find someone to spend this type of money but the reality, a custom car like this one? I dont think a 'true" collector would be interested in it and by the responses on this board, the purists dont like it.

The reality of this, from my knowledge, is that there is a very limited market for this car especially at his "cost" in the car. The "Law of Diminishing Returns" is hopefully invoked in this car. For the price, the car should be perfect, better than factory. Sadly, can you really drive this car for fear of "anything" happening to it...assuming it is perfect?

For the price, maybe he should have done a factory clone?

The owner of this car should know that "creations" like this is for their own pleasure. To find another person who shares their vision .....is extremely low and assuming this person exists, they would probably want to change some things and could find another car to "build to their taste"! The money is not the object.

I Googled the CSL for saie, and I found one for $30K in England plus shipping to the States. There are nice CSL's available for less.

A true Alpina 3.0CSL, how much are they worth? Remember there are only 9 left in existence! I am sorry, you can't compare this car to one of these cars...no matter how hard you try. I have no idea but the engine bay on this car doesn't look like an Alpina? For starters, I thought Alpina's carried special air boxes emblazened with "Alpina"?

Just look at a Cloned Muscle Car vs the "real" one? The price is 3-4 times higher for the real car. For what reason? ONLY because it is listed in the Factory Register as the real McCoy. There is no other difference....none. I have seen some clones nicer than the real ones but...guess which one will go for more...lots more?!

Even "normal" cars that are heavily customized, the owners only get a fraction back when it comes time to re-sell.

It is a truly beautiful car but how much is one willing to pay for this? I bet, they can buy a real CSL and restore and "Alpinaize" it for considerably less...maybe $60K?

I do find it shocking that you can spend $35K just on paint alone. But some people want the "Best of the Best" with no regard for the price.

We all know, cost has nothing to do with market value!

 

[Stan]

How would you define Paul Cain's 3.8 CSi ?
Tribute? Custom?
It is nice regardless...
Stan

 

[chicane]

Re: I think this is where the confusion is....

The car is definately special and the market will decide. If someone is willing to pay out that type of money for the car, let them do it. It is not a restoration or a clone.

At first when I read a chunk of the thread, I thought maybe it would be some type of Concours car (100 points) or a Museum piece, but in reality, it is a Specialty item. Non-factory Specialty items dont command the market like Factory or Factory authorized cars do.

Perhaps the owner may find someone to spend this type of money but the reality, a custom car like this one? I dont think a 'true" collector would be interested in it and by the responses on this board, the purists dont like it.

The reality of this, from my knowledge, is that there is a very limited market for this car especially at his "cost" in the car. The "Law of Diminishing Returns" is hopefully invoked in this car. For the price, the car should be perfect, better than factory. Sadly, can you really drive this car for fear of "anything" happening to it...assuming it is perfect?

For the price, maybe he should have done a factory clone?

The owner of this car should know that "creations" like this is for their own pleasure. To find another person who shares their vision .....is extremely low and assuming this person exists, they would probably want to change some things and could find another car to "build to their taste"! The money is not the object.

I Googled the CSL for saie, and I found one for $30K in England plus shipping to the States. There are nice CSL's available for less.

A true Alpina 3.0CSL, how much are they worth? Remember there are only 9 left in existence! I am sorry, you can't compare this car to one of these cars...no matter how hard you try. I have no idea but the engine bay on this car doesn't look like an Alpina? For starters, I thought Alpina's carried special air boxes emblazened with "Alpina"?

Just look at a Cloned Muscle Car vs the "real" one? The price is 3-4 times higher for the real car. For what reason? ONLY because it is listed in the Factory Register as the real McCoy. There is no other difference....none. I have seen some clones nicer than the real ones but...guess which one will go for more...lots more?!

Even "normal" cars that are heavily customized, the owners only get a fraction back when it comes time to re-sell.

It is a truly beautiful car but how much is one willing to pay for this? I bet, they can buy a real CSL and restore and "Alpinaize" it for considerably less...maybe $60K?

I do find it shocking that you can spend $35K just on paint alone. But some people want the "Best of the Best" with no regard for the price.

We all know, cost has nothing to do with market value!

Well worded, couldn't have said it better.

 

[CSfan]

nice

you toke the words right from my keyboard. very nice write up! upset99.

 

[chicane]

How would you define Paul Cain's 3.8 CSi ?
Tribute? Custom?
It is nice regardless...
Stan

Paul Cain's ride is the definitive resto-mod; taking a classic and rebuilding it the way BMW would have built it in this day and age with the technology available.

It is obvious that Cain put a lot of time and effort in selecting the correct materials and parts always with a nod to the past. He didn't just shove a set of late model seats with into a vintage BMW.

 

[Tierfreund]

UK CSL market values are not directly comparable

UK RHD CSLa cannot be directly compared to other CSLs when it comes to value. THey were placed differently in their market and are therfore techncally somewhat different and more plentifull.
Since at the time, due to import taxes the E9 was a very expensive proposition in the UK anyway, the UK importer decided (for certain model years) to not carry the CSI but had only the CS and the CSL. The implication beeing that since you allready had to pay such a premium due to the market restraint, the premium in price would be relatively less felt.
So the all UK CSLs were speced to much more comfort for the UK market with city pack, bumpers and all the goodies.
Meant to be the "Über-GT instead of the lightweight sports version it came to be in the other markets.

Thus, and with in RHD from having a relatively higher percentage of CSLs compared to regulars, the UK CSLs are worth somewhat less than the stripped out bare CSLs from other areas.

They are still true CSLs all right, but are traded at much lower prices.

I wonder, at the prices other CSLs are fetching, when someone will buy a UK CSL cheap, stripp it out and convert it to LHD. It still wouldn´t be a matching numbers LHD lightweight, but it still is a CSL VIN...
Might make financial sense...

Btw, as to the OP, i agree with most posters, the car on offer here is catered to a very peculiar taste so someone will have to be sharing exactly that taste to go for it. And even then, it is very pricy. I guess a similar car could easily be reproduced at the asking price while giving the option of fullfilling the then to be owner the option of getting exactly what is to his taste...

So good luck with the sale. At does look to be very well made, taste aside.

 

[Upset99]

Re: UK CSL market values are not directly comparable

UK RHD CSLa cannot be directly compared to other CSLs when it comes to value.


I wonder, at the prices other CSLs are fetching, when someone will buy a UK CSL cheap, stripp it out and convert it to LHD. It still wouldn´t be a matching numbers LHD lightweight, but it still is a CSL VIN...
Might make financial sense...

I thought, off the top of my head, that American CSL's were about 50K? Learned something new! Thanks.


As to the original costs, it depends on the Shop and Shop labor rates! I have seen some bottom line prices to be VERY high. The same work that is done at one shop for $35Gs, I have seen identical work (at least from quick review) for $$60Gs. In the best situation, it may be better but the Law of Diminishing Returns are involved and that extra little quality will cost a fortune. Sometimes, the "cheaper" shop has really good people who can do the job the very first time without any touchups and the cheaper price is actually better or equal. This assuming the Shops are being honest. I have seen my share of Shops with attitudes with, "If you can afford a BMW, you can afford to pay lots more!"

Isn't this is why we go to a really good honest BMW specialist? It may cost an extra $25 an hour but it saves in total time and the bill drops. Everyone wins.