Discs and pads are readily available through Walloth and Neesch
tdgray
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Thanks John and Erik
I think I will do the spacer kit from Hal as I have good calipers. Erik... I know its hard to see in pictures but I already procured the rotors and they are on. Did this when I put new bearings in the front hubs.
The hubs were just nasty. I just don't understand why people just throw globs of grease in these and then go.... all good!
I think I will do the spacer kit from Hal as I have good calipers. Erik... I know its hard to see in pictures but I already procured the rotors and they are on. Did this when I put new bearings in the front hubs.
The hubs were just nasty. I just don't understand why people just throw globs of grease in these and then go.... all good!
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Now on to the bad news from today
Korman called. They got the engine, diff and transmission torn down. The bad news is two fold....
The engine is a boat anchor. Someone rebuilt it at some point. Very very poorly. A laundry list of bad work. The oil tube was backwards (See... Don's warnings are just for laughs). It starved the top end destroying the camshaft. The valve guides were so loose they destroyed the head beyond repair. Along with this someone put the rocker arm back together wrong as evident by the clips installed wrong. That is destroyed. Almost off the intake and exhaust valves were bent.
Also along the way the engine picked up something large and spun bearing on 1 and 5 completely destroying the crank beyond repair. All the bearings were bad but those two the worst. The spun bearings and trash killed the cylinder walls on 1 and 5 and to a lesser extent 3.
Bottom line... it would be way more work to try to resurrect the 2.8 from the ashes. Cranks are NLA, pistons about the same and the block would take more time than it is worth.
So..... we are getting a 3.0... Korman has a core and we will rebuild from there.
Sadly (or not depending on who you are) the 2800 will be a 2800 in name only from here on out.
Korman called. They got the engine, diff and transmission torn down. The bad news is two fold....
The engine is a boat anchor. Someone rebuilt it at some point. Very very poorly. A laundry list of bad work. The oil tube was backwards (See... Don's warnings are just for laughs). It starved the top end destroying the camshaft. The valve guides were so loose they destroyed the head beyond repair. Along with this someone put the rocker arm back together wrong as evident by the clips installed wrong. That is destroyed. Almost off the intake and exhaust valves were bent.
Also along the way the engine picked up something large and spun bearing on 1 and 5 completely destroying the crank beyond repair. All the bearings were bad but those two the worst. The spun bearings and trash killed the cylinder walls on 1 and 5 and to a lesser extent 3.
Bottom line... it would be way more work to try to resurrect the 2.8 from the ashes. Cranks are NLA, pistons about the same and the block would take more time than it is worth.
So..... we are getting a 3.0... Korman has a core and we will rebuild from there.
Sadly (or not depending on who you are) the 2800 will be a 2800 in name only from here on out.
tdgray
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my 2800cs is in name only ... i have a 3.5LNow on to the bad news from today
Sadly (or not depending on who you are) the 2800 will be a 2800 in name only from here on out.
tdgray
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These are the chances you take with a "project" car.
The LSD is a bit of a kick in the ass....
The LSD is a bit of a kick in the ass....
ElGrecko
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I'd be very tempted to look for a B35... The newer the better and with that you'd have more motor and if you wanted to rebuild it the chances of it being less worn out are a lot better... JMHO and qualified as such.Now on to the bad news from today
Korman called. They got the engine, diff and transmission torn down. The bad news is two fold....
The engine is a boat anchor. Someone rebuilt it at some point. Very very poorly. A laundry list of bad work. The oil tube was backwards (See... Don's warnings are just for laughs). It starved the top end destroying the camshaft. The valve guides were so loose they destroyed the head beyond repair. Along with this someone put the rocker arm back together wrong as evident by the clips installed wrong. That is destroyed. Almost off the intake and exhaust valves were bent.
Also along the way the engine picked up something large and spun bearing on 1 and 5 completely destroying the crank beyond repair. All the bearings were bad but those two the worst. The spun bearings and trash killed the cylinder walls on 1 and 5 and to a lesser extent 3.
Bottom line... it would be way more work to try to resurrect the 2.8 from the ashes. Cranks are NLA, pistons about the same and the block would take more time than it is worth.
So..... we are getting a 3.0... Korman has a core and we will rebuild from there.
Sadly (or not depending on who you are) the 2800 will be a 2800 in name only from here on out.
As to the diff, it's an 8 bolt diff and those are pretty much impossible to do much with. You can't get different gears for them and you can't covert them to a 10 bolt. The 10 bolt unit is the one to have, although 10 bolt LSD's are getting pretty scarce.
ScottAndrews
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Good to hear you like Korman. I am seriously thinking of sending my engine and diff there. The trans will be swapped out for a 265 that I have had for the past 15 years..
Your project is inspiring., My 3.0 is perhaps in only slightly less bad condition, It is a cosmetic mess, but very little rust that I have found, with extensive probing, and the drivetrain ran strong when I bought her. Just been sitting quite a while while life has been happening.
Your restoration process seems almost exactly like what I have been envisioning. I am planning to either rebuild or replace the entire wire harness as well.
Will be following along closely!!
Cheers!
S
Your project is inspiring., My 3.0 is perhaps in only slightly less bad condition, It is a cosmetic mess, but very little rust that I have found, with extensive probing, and the drivetrain ran strong when I bought her. Just been sitting quite a while while life has been happening.
Your restoration process seems almost exactly like what I have been envisioning. I am planning to either rebuild or replace the entire wire harness as well.
Will be following along closely!!
Cheers!
S
having had a Korman 2002 engine (stage 3+) - it was a well built as was all the work they did on that 2002. there are several great engine builders in the USA that i have direct experience with and are highly recommended
SFDon
Mario Langsten (VSR)
Korman
there are several others who have received high praise that i have not had any direct experience with
Carl Nelson (La Jolla Independent)
Metric Mechanic
VAC Motorsports (especially race engines)
SFDon
Mario Langsten (VSR)
Korman
there are several others who have received high praise that i have not had any direct experience with
Carl Nelson (La Jolla Independent)
Metric Mechanic
VAC Motorsports (especially race engines)
tdgray
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Absolutely… great people out there…talked to a few of them.
I picked Korman for a few reasons but proximity was one of them. We have family down there so it made for a good visit trip. It’s not a bad drive for me.
What I know about restoring cars is expect nothing because when you think you’ve made a great deal… turns out it wasn’t… think it’s everything you expected… it’s not.
Of the seven or eight cars I’ve completely restored… maybe one met initial expectations.
Just the way it is. Prepare for the worst… then you won’t be disgusted.
That and it’s a ton of work… if you don’t love it… well, that’s a problem.
I picked Korman for a few reasons but proximity was one of them. We have family down there so it made for a good visit trip. It’s not a bad drive for me.
What I know about restoring cars is expect nothing because when you think you’ve made a great deal… turns out it wasn’t… think it’s everything you expected… it’s not.
Of the seven or eight cars I’ve completely restored… maybe one met initial expectations.
Just the way it is. Prepare for the worst… then you won’t be disgusted.
That and it’s a ton of work… if you don’t love it… well, that’s a problem.
tdgray
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Oh I did find a differential for donor parts… so that’s something positive!
Sounds like it's too late, but I have a extra 3.07 LSD side loader if you are interested. I'm in Medina.
tdgray
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Hey Jon! Finally another E9 near me… I was starting to think I was the only one in NE Ohio (not likely but I have never seen one in my area).
I will let you know if this does not work out.
I will let you know if this does not work out.
Todd,
there are other coupes in Ohio. Lawrence Platt in Goshen, i have a record of Dan Cummins in Springboro,
older records - Pedro Yap in Stow, John Tkatschenko in Lebanon, Frank in Urbana, Noah Fleischmann in Cincinnati
there was an Inka CSL for sale in Dayton in 2023
there are other coupes in Ohio. Lawrence Platt in Goshen, i have a record of Dan Cummins in Springboro,
older records - Pedro Yap in Stow, John Tkatschenko in Lebanon, Frank in Urbana, Noah Fleischmann in Cincinnati
there was an Inka CSL for sale in Dayton in 2023
tdgray
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Thanks Scott… one of those is close ish to Jon and I. Who knows…maybe more.
A CSL in Dayton… now that is certainly unexpected.
A CSL in Dayton… now that is certainly unexpected.
The member's map function was helpful in finding other forum members near you, but that feature has gone away. I hope it comes back though perhaps it was a security risk as well?
tdgray
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Well I did the rear seats and arm rest etc.
I got the kit from Steve Sperling. Supremely nice guy. Sent samples for approval. Great color in my opinion.
All in all good quality. A few complaints. The corners were a bit bulky.. particularly at the tops of seats where the material is thick. That is a tough thing to master. The material was cut very generous...very large "pockets" in the bolsters. Had to fill quite a bit. But didn't want them to look over stuffed.
The outside arm rests were a little short. Had to settle for cheating at the top as I wanted the seams to look straight.
Now as for the final... Well almost final. I'm still fussing as there are more wrinkles than I would like. But part of that is me... Put them in the sun... Tweek. We will see. But I am mostly pleased.
I got the kit from Steve Sperling. Supremely nice guy. Sent samples for approval. Great color in my opinion.
All in all good quality. A few complaints. The corners were a bit bulky.. particularly at the tops of seats where the material is thick. That is a tough thing to master. The material was cut very generous...very large "pockets" in the bolsters. Had to fill quite a bit. But didn't want them to look over stuffed.
The outside arm rests were a little short. Had to settle for cheating at the top as I wanted the seams to look straight.
Now as for the final... Well almost final. I'm still fussing as there are more wrinkles than I would like. But part of that is me... Put them in the sun... Tweek. We will see. But I am mostly pleased.
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Few things I learned or thought I could pass on.
Make sure you have your pocket rods from the old seats. As you need to tie them down to the horsehair in multiple places. I did this a bit different than factory. I did many small stitches instead of long looping runs... Just easier for me. Tie everything in place first... Then fill foam etc.
I had to add serious amounts of fill due to the generous bolsters pockets. Glue foam and then steal the bread knife from the kitchen...don't tell the wife. To sculpt the foam. Yes the pictures look like over kill.
Take pics. Watch the screw holes in the arm rests... Don't cover them up. Save the material from the flap on the arm rest ... You'll need it to cover the metal bracket on the arm rest... Mine were covered. Have not done that yet as I was waiting on the paint to dry.
Make sure you have your pocket rods from the old seats. As you need to tie them down to the horsehair in multiple places. I did this a bit different than factory. I did many small stitches instead of long looping runs... Just easier for me. Tie everything in place first... Then fill foam etc.
I had to add serious amounts of fill due to the generous bolsters pockets. Glue foam and then steal the bread knife from the kitchen...don't tell the wife. To sculpt the foam. Yes the pictures look like over kill.
Take pics. Watch the screw holes in the arm rests... Don't cover them up. Save the material from the flap on the arm rest ... You'll need it to cover the metal bracket on the arm rest... Mine were covered. Have not done that yet as I was waiting on the paint to dry.
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So started on the fronts today.... Umm yah. Much more complicated.
Only got one torn down and the bottom done and the top on but not buttoned down.
The drivers side was recovered at some point ... Very poorly. Velcro and a bad set of covers. They broke things and I wondered why the seat has a bit of a Detroit lean going... They lost the retainers for the recline and had half of it unhooked and crooked.
Had to rebuild the foam and beef up the horse hair. Not quite as bad as the backs but fairly substantial.
Some of the fun... Oh also had to make my own pocket rods... Those were gone.
Only got one torn down and the bottom done and the top on but not buttoned down.
The drivers side was recovered at some point ... Very poorly. Velcro and a bad set of covers. They broke things and I wondered why the seat has a bit of a Detroit lean going... They lost the retainers for the recline and had half of it unhooked and crooked.
Had to rebuild the foam and beef up the horse hair. Not quite as bad as the backs but fairly substantial.
Some of the fun... Oh also had to make my own pocket rods... Those were gone.
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Amazing how time consuming and messy this process is. My shop is a filth pit… the dog playing weeeeee with the scraps of fabric doesn’t help
I have not looked yet but does someone sell the round chrome plastic pieces for the headrests? Another item that was mangled in the bad recover.
I have not looked yet but does someone sell the round chrome plastic pieces for the headrests? Another item that was mangled in the bad recover.