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I like those a lot. Look great with the Sienna paint.....
FOR SALE STAGGERED ORIGINAL ALPINAS 16 x7 and 16 x 8...
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absolutely.... me, I would have those Alpinas restored to pristine by a pro shop, no rash, straightened, no issues. Works well on Fiord. Many out there. The black centers may look nice with the orange, I would think so. Again, a matter of taste and what looks good to your own eye. The gold works very well with Siena....my eyes. Guys and girls, you hope to do the wheel show once and do it right for yourself. Yeah, this is expensive, saving a few bucks? Like shoes for the lady....
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I called the link on this post... They now are asking $3,000 + Tax
In the beginning of this post was a link to a place that occasionally has restored STAGGERED 16" ALPINAS... The do not have a set currently but he said within a week or so...
The new asking price for the restored Alpina wheels is now $3,000 + Tax = $3,280...
I guess that $2,500 with new tires was a good deal... But no takers?
In the beginning of this post was a link to a place that occasionally has restored STAGGERED 16" ALPINAS... The do not have a set currently but he said within a week or so...
The new asking price for the restored Alpina wheels is now $3,000 + Tax = $3,280...
I guess that $2,500 with new tires was a good deal... But no takers?
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pfft...if it was a good deal, you'd have sold them.
Trolling using some ad from somewhere saying something doesn't mean that the fish will bite
and clearly, the fish ain't rising.
You can lookit it a different way, would you pay 15% additional premium to your recent CS purchase for those wheels? Neither would we.
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Big hat, no cattle......
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I feel better about paying the $1800 for the set of 5 now. I even drove down from Santa Cruz to Santa Barbara and back to pick them up. ~500 miles round trip, so I'm into the rims for about $1900 so far "shipped". The rims were in very good condition, but like others have mentioned, I needed to "see them" before purchase. I plan to eventually get them all restored at Pacific Rims http://www.pacrims.com/
BTW, All of the wheels that I purchased were made by Ronal for Alpina during the mid 80's. I forget the exact date, but it is cast into the inner part of the rim along with the Ronal label.
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Huh,
Myself this hobby is not about profit but to pass on the usable parts to the brothers. Restore the wheels and roll them into your stock. They will command your price someday....
Myself this hobby is not about profit but to pass on the usable parts to the brothers. Restore the wheels and roll them into your stock. They will command your price someday....
John, how soon are you planning to your rims done at pacific rims? Please post some pics of the refinished rims when they are done and if the work is performed to your satisfaction. I'm also looking for a shop to refinish my newly bought Weds wheel set. I've heard and read good things about Rite-way wheel specialists in Walnut Creek, CA. I have used Wheels Technique down in South Bay, and while their work was OK, but I wasn't totally impressed with their workmanship and how they did not handle the job in a timely manner. Thanks!
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Hi Bert,
It will probably be a couple of months before I get the wheels restored by Pacific Rims. I've heard good things about Pacific Rims from some of the Bay Area 2002 guys that I trust. Will post pictures once they're done.
I'm sure it'll cost me, but that's what E9's are for, ...right
Hi Bert,
It will probably be a couple of months before I get the wheels restored by Pacific Rims. I've heard good things about Pacific Rims from some of the Bay Area 2002 guys that I trust. Will post pictures once they're done.
I'm sure it'll cost me, but that's what E9's are for, ...right
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Dp, In answer to your question. Yes I would pay $2,500 for a set of ORIGINAL ALPINAS
Dp,
I am the guy who buys only Original parts and YES I would pay ALL the Money for ORIGINAL ALPINAS if they were the HOT TICKET Wheels and I wanted them...
Also based upon the fact that another member admits he drove 500 miles and "stole" the Alpinas for $1,900 plus he will need new tires at $600 I would say there are a few of us that want Original wheels...
Take a look at these two Porsches... They both have ORIGINAL PORSCHE RUDGE KNOCK-OFF Wheels... Back when I bought the wheels 20 Plus years ago a set of (5) Rudge Wheels was $3,500 when Speedsters were $20K....
Today you could sell just the Rudge Wheels and buy a decent CSL with the money...
You want to see absolute INSANITY... Notice the Red Hammer in the Photo... That is an ORIGINAL RUDGE KNOCKOFF HAMMER. If I told you that I turned DOWN a $3,800 offer for a PHUCKING BRASS HAMMER you would call me a liar... But it is TRUE! It is one of only (2-3) Original Hammers known to exist... All the other Rudge hammers have been lost and are gone forever... BTW a perfect repro hammer is $380
Recently I wanted SLR Wheels for my SL65 and they do make very nice repros/copies but I wanted ORIGINAL MERCEDES SLR PARTS... Mercedes sells the SLR wheels for $30,700 for a set!... I searched and found a set of Original take off SLR wheels, luckily they cost me only 10% of the price for new wheels...
So in answer to your question... Yes I would absolutely pay 15% of the E9 value for ORIGINAL ALPINA WHEELS... I would not blink or delay for a second...
Dp,
I am the guy who buys only Original parts and YES I would pay ALL the Money for ORIGINAL ALPINAS if they were the HOT TICKET Wheels and I wanted them...
Also based upon the fact that another member admits he drove 500 miles and "stole" the Alpinas for $1,900 plus he will need new tires at $600 I would say there are a few of us that want Original wheels...
Take a look at these two Porsches... They both have ORIGINAL PORSCHE RUDGE KNOCK-OFF Wheels... Back when I bought the wheels 20 Plus years ago a set of (5) Rudge Wheels was $3,500 when Speedsters were $20K....
Today you could sell just the Rudge Wheels and buy a decent CSL with the money...
You want to see absolute INSANITY... Notice the Red Hammer in the Photo... That is an ORIGINAL RUDGE KNOCKOFF HAMMER. If I told you that I turned DOWN a $3,800 offer for a PHUCKING BRASS HAMMER you would call me a liar... But it is TRUE! It is one of only (2-3) Original Hammers known to exist... All the other Rudge hammers have been lost and are gone forever... BTW a perfect repro hammer is $380
Recently I wanted SLR Wheels for my SL65 and they do make very nice repros/copies but I wanted ORIGINAL MERCEDES SLR PARTS... Mercedes sells the SLR wheels for $30,700 for a set!... I searched and found a set of Original take off SLR wheels, luckily they cost me only 10% of the price for new wheels...
So in answer to your question... Yes I would absolutely pay 15% of the E9 value for ORIGINAL ALPINA WHEELS... I would not blink or delay for a second...
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apart from it being a rhetorical question...its really no biggie, but the attitude is still off-putting. Clearly NO ONE here thinks your wheels are "a deal" otherwise they'd have bought them. Duh! Check the Porsche attitude at the gate when you enter the BMW corral...
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Dp I was kinda hoping for the Porsche Attitude and their Enthusiasm...
Dp,
I have been watching E9s for over two years and have noticed and have repeatedly commented that there seems to be allot of interest about these cars but there is NO real as you say "ATTITUDE" or enthusiasm...
When just last week a beautiful running and driving 1972 Malaga E9 got 1500 hits on ebay which is a huge amount, but then sold for only $9,000 that says volumes about the HO HUM "ATTITUDE" that most people have for our beautiful cars...
Granted the car was probably just a 6 but it drove, the air blows cold and the car looked very presentable but again it only brought $9,000??? Thats incredible!
In 1971 you could have bought either a 3.0CS, 911S, 280SL, E-Type Jag or a Ferrari Dino for around the same money...
Try finding a running and driving and presentable 911S, a 280SL or E-Type Jag for $9,000... That will not happen!
Also remember that numerous people looked at including a Classic Car Dealer and they all walked away from the GREAT PUMPKIN which finally after months on the market the price was lowered until offered at only $16,000 OBO... Looking at this car I still insist that there is something VERY VERY WRONG with this situation:-(
Maybe if everyone in the E9 community had the PORSCHE, FERRARI, MERCEDES, JAGUAR, ... "ATTITUDE" then our cars would demand more respect from the rest of the Vintage Car Collectors and would bring what they are worth...
Dp,
I have been watching E9s for over two years and have noticed and have repeatedly commented that there seems to be allot of interest about these cars but there is NO real as you say "ATTITUDE" or enthusiasm...
When just last week a beautiful running and driving 1972 Malaga E9 got 1500 hits on ebay which is a huge amount, but then sold for only $9,000 that says volumes about the HO HUM "ATTITUDE" that most people have for our beautiful cars...
Granted the car was probably just a 6 but it drove, the air blows cold and the car looked very presentable but again it only brought $9,000??? Thats incredible!
In 1971 you could have bought either a 3.0CS, 911S, 280SL, E-Type Jag or a Ferrari Dino for around the same money...
Try finding a running and driving and presentable 911S, a 280SL or E-Type Jag for $9,000... That will not happen!
Also remember that numerous people looked at including a Classic Car Dealer and they all walked away from the GREAT PUMPKIN which finally after months on the market the price was lowered until offered at only $16,000 OBO... Looking at this car I still insist that there is something VERY VERY WRONG with this situation:-(
Maybe if everyone in the E9 community had the PORSCHE, FERRARI, MERCEDES, JAGUAR, ... "ATTITUDE" then our cars would demand more respect from the rest of the Vintage Car Collectors and would bring what they are worth...
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Wow.
Based on the posts it just seems like execmalibu is interested in the E9 coupes as an investment and for the potential appreciation in value where most of us own these cars because we love them regardless of the fact if they are an investment or a money pit. Nothing wrong with his mentality, it's just a different frame of mind than most of us have here and that is why I think there seems to be some friction.
considering your attitude you should immediately present an offer for my car, i will sell it to you at once !
the more you tell the worse it goes....
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You guys are missing my point... Appreciation is good for many reasons...
Do I want the E9 to appreciate? Absolutely I do... But appreciation is not a bad thing... Is it?
The reason a vintage car appreciates is because people want them... The more people that want them the higher the perceived value... Take a look at the number of hits on the recent ebay auctions... The numbers are very high like the 3,500 hits last week on a 1973 E9 and the 1,500 on the car I just mentioned... Which is very encouraging. But there is so far only interest... Not major involvement or investment like with the other types cars I mentioned... I went to a BMW swap meet and there were only three guys selling a few minor E9 parts. Other Vintage Car swap meets have rows and rows of vendors selling parts...
If and when the E9s become more collectible then allot more of the cars will be restored and saved from ultimate demise... Plus (and this is GOOD)there will be interest and investment from the companies that are in the aftermarket parts businesses to start making restoration parts... There are companies that reproduce literally every part for some cars (hoods,doors, fenders, grilles, rubber, trim etc etc)
So far there are few if any reproduction parts for our E9s... There are wheels and decals and a few other things from Stan but not much else. I won't mention the P word but T-Birds, Muscle Cars, Mustangs even old Pickup Trucks have literally every part reproduced but not with BMWs... Why is that?
I admit I like Original parts but there are some parts that if reproduced correctly with quality materials are acceptable and welcomed from even the most demanding collectors...
Plastic hood grilles for $125 each and $98 for three pieces of foam for under the hood from BMW is stupid...
Imagine highly detailed quality replacement sheet metal parts for ALL of the rust prone areas of an E9 offered at a very reasonable prices. Wouldn't it be great if like with many other vintage cars there were places to buy parts for the rusty tops and bottoms of the fenders... Or how about having ALL of the Rubber or trim pieces be available new and not for the ridiculous dealer prices?...
This will only happen when the general interest and involvement in our E9s increases dramatically and makes it a profitable investment for these companies...
When the Collector Car general public starts to really be involved with the E9s then this along with rapid appreciation will happen...
Do I want the E9 to appreciate? Absolutely I do... But appreciation is not a bad thing... Is it?
The reason a vintage car appreciates is because people want them... The more people that want them the higher the perceived value... Take a look at the number of hits on the recent ebay auctions... The numbers are very high like the 3,500 hits last week on a 1973 E9 and the 1,500 on the car I just mentioned... Which is very encouraging. But there is so far only interest... Not major involvement or investment like with the other types cars I mentioned... I went to a BMW swap meet and there were only three guys selling a few minor E9 parts. Other Vintage Car swap meets have rows and rows of vendors selling parts...
If and when the E9s become more collectible then allot more of the cars will be restored and saved from ultimate demise... Plus (and this is GOOD)there will be interest and investment from the companies that are in the aftermarket parts businesses to start making restoration parts... There are companies that reproduce literally every part for some cars (hoods,doors, fenders, grilles, rubber, trim etc etc)
So far there are few if any reproduction parts for our E9s... There are wheels and decals and a few other things from Stan but not much else. I won't mention the P word but T-Birds, Muscle Cars, Mustangs even old Pickup Trucks have literally every part reproduced but not with BMWs... Why is that?
I admit I like Original parts but there are some parts that if reproduced correctly with quality materials are acceptable and welcomed from even the most demanding collectors...
Plastic hood grilles for $125 each and $98 for three pieces of foam for under the hood from BMW is stupid...
Imagine highly detailed quality replacement sheet metal parts for ALL of the rust prone areas of an E9 offered at a very reasonable prices. Wouldn't it be great if like with many other vintage cars there were places to buy parts for the rusty tops and bottoms of the fenders... Or how about having ALL of the Rubber or trim pieces be available new and not for the ridiculous dealer prices?...
This will only happen when the general interest and involvement in our E9s increases dramatically and makes it a profitable investment for these companies...
When the Collector Car general public starts to really be involved with the E9s then this along with rapid appreciation will happen...
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+10,000 This is not about investment....this about the love of the shape. A hobby that is yours. I spend quite a bit of time just stepping back and looking at the thing....art you cannot hang on the wall. Whether it is worth $10 or 10 million I would not part with my car....ever. Bury me in the thing...my casket, my hobby. Way cheaper than a lot of other addictions. Cheaper than a wife? I would never comment on that one....oops, already did!
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I agree that this isn't a purchase I made to make money. Some things are investments, other things I am pleasantly surprised if they appreciate. The lack of "attitude" is what I like about the car and the people who drive them. I don't want to drive around Newport Beach like another mid life crisis guy in a yellow 911. Those guys may be my neighbors and people I work with but, by and large, they aren't my buddies. The 356 guys look like they're having alot of fun and I might do that at some point for a change of pace, not to make money, but to drive up and down PCH with the top down in a cool little car. In the meantime, the lack of attitude is why I picked this car.
If you believe the Execmalibu story (which I don't) I overpaid (by 3x I guess) and if no one else thinks it is great and the car goes to zero, I couldn't care less. I drive it to work and in the rain and I love it. These are great cars and the really good examples will do fine over time. And if not, the good news is, so what.
If you believe the Execmalibu story (which I don't) I overpaid (by 3x I guess) and if no one else thinks it is great and the car goes to zero, I couldn't care less. I drive it to work and in the rain and I love it. These are great cars and the really good examples will do fine over time. And if not, the good news is, so what.
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JDJ+Dp- The "ATTITUDE" is how much FUN the 356/early 911 are
JDJ,
It is totally my fault for not explaining my take on the PORSCHE "ATTITUDE"... First I was referring to the Vintage PORSCHE 356 and EARLY 911 guys... NOT I repeat NOT the guys in New 997s with a comb over and a Panerai... I have allot of old Porsches but not a new 911 because they are everywhere and NOT special...
You call for a 356/911 Porsche gathering and 150-300 guys show up in cars restored to better then new, cars that are drivers and cars that were barn finds yesterday with two different colored fenders... Everyone looks at all the cars with interest. The good, the bad and even the ugly are appreciated and we all trade stories about racing here or there, how to install or restore this part or that or where to find a special part or repair shop...
And the best part is that after a PORSCHE guy beats your Butt on the track or during one of our ultra high speed rallies when you ask "whats in that thing?" He will tell you exactly what he has, who did the work, what he discovered after years of testing is the best set-up, where to get the best deal on the parts and so on... Then he might offer to lend you his extra part to try... All so you can come back later to try a beat his Butt next time...
The "ATTITUDE" I am referring to is their enthusiasm! To these guys the PORSCHE is a great and very special car that these guys appreciate, love to drive, race and/or show off (Not show) their cars. They also want to try and save and bring back as many old PORSCHES as possible...
To allot of these guys it is truly a passion and they want to their PORSCHE to be as absolutely as perfect and Original down to the most minute detail as humanly possible... Then the same idiot will take the perfectly restored PORSCHE out and race the SH!T out of the car against another perfect PORSCHE!...
I am talking about serious racing... Shifting at Redline in every gear and pushing the car to the absolute extreme limits at every high speed corner... That is also the fun of owning a PORSCHE. You can beat the Holly Crap out of them I mean shifting at 8,000RPM and they do NOT break... Then after you have WON the race what do you get???... NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING except the bragging rights that you finally beat your buddy and three hours explaining to five other PORSCHE guys how you did it...
Thats the PORSCHE "ATTITUDE":mrgreen: The same is true for many Vintage Ferrari and Cobra guys... Ever watch a $13,000,000 Ferrari GTO being slid sideways racing against another $10,000,000 Ferrari SWB both trying to catch a guy in a Cobra?
As far as a car appreciating... To most people that love vintage cars there must be a "Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow"... Not everyone can afford to restore and drive a vintage car with the knowledge that they will lose their Ass when they sell. With most vintage cars if you start with a decent car (Good Bones) and then have the car restored these people expect to get most if not all of their money back when forced to sell. If they lose all of their money most will not do that again but if they do OK they will often move UP to a better or more expensive vintage car... And as I believe making a profit is always a great incentive to invest in(restore) any vintage car... I know guys that buy and restore vintage cars just for the money... If they weren't making a profit allot of these vintage cars would be lost forever...
For many people it is BOTH the love of vintage cars AND the knowledge that someday their car will be a great investment... Is that bad? I think NOT!
JDJ,
It is totally my fault for not explaining my take on the PORSCHE "ATTITUDE"... First I was referring to the Vintage PORSCHE 356 and EARLY 911 guys... NOT I repeat NOT the guys in New 997s with a comb over and a Panerai... I have allot of old Porsches but not a new 911 because they are everywhere and NOT special...
You call for a 356/911 Porsche gathering and 150-300 guys show up in cars restored to better then new, cars that are drivers and cars that were barn finds yesterday with two different colored fenders... Everyone looks at all the cars with interest. The good, the bad and even the ugly are appreciated and we all trade stories about racing here or there, how to install or restore this part or that or where to find a special part or repair shop...
And the best part is that after a PORSCHE guy beats your Butt on the track or during one of our ultra high speed rallies when you ask "whats in that thing?" He will tell you exactly what he has, who did the work, what he discovered after years of testing is the best set-up, where to get the best deal on the parts and so on... Then he might offer to lend you his extra part to try... All so you can come back later to try a beat his Butt next time...
The "ATTITUDE" I am referring to is their enthusiasm! To these guys the PORSCHE is a great and very special car that these guys appreciate, love to drive, race and/or show off (Not show) their cars. They also want to try and save and bring back as many old PORSCHES as possible...
To allot of these guys it is truly a passion and they want to their PORSCHE to be as absolutely as perfect and Original down to the most minute detail as humanly possible... Then the same idiot will take the perfectly restored PORSCHE out and race the SH!T out of the car against another perfect PORSCHE!...
I am talking about serious racing... Shifting at Redline in every gear and pushing the car to the absolute extreme limits at every high speed corner... That is also the fun of owning a PORSCHE. You can beat the Holly Crap out of them I mean shifting at 8,000RPM and they do NOT break... Then after you have WON the race what do you get???... NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING except the bragging rights that you finally beat your buddy and three hours explaining to five other PORSCHE guys how you did it...
Thats the PORSCHE "ATTITUDE":mrgreen: The same is true for many Vintage Ferrari and Cobra guys... Ever watch a $13,000,000 Ferrari GTO being slid sideways racing against another $10,000,000 Ferrari SWB both trying to catch a guy in a Cobra?
As far as a car appreciating... To most people that love vintage cars there must be a "Pot of Gold at the end of the Rainbow"... Not everyone can afford to restore and drive a vintage car with the knowledge that they will lose their Ass when they sell. With most vintage cars if you start with a decent car (Good Bones) and then have the car restored these people expect to get most if not all of their money back when forced to sell. If they lose all of their money most will not do that again but if they do OK they will often move UP to a better or more expensive vintage car... And as I believe making a profit is always a great incentive to invest in(restore) any vintage car... I know guys that buy and restore vintage cars just for the money... If they weren't making a profit allot of these vintage cars would be lost forever...
For many people it is BOTH the love of vintage cars AND the knowledge that someday their car will be a great investment... Is that bad? I think NOT!
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