Rek
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Yes, and perhaps the biggest destruction is to trust and reputation, which is built over decades and lost in a heartbeat.
Tariffs
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Steve, +100 thumbs up on the mixed doubles tennis. I'm a big tennis player. Luckily our indoor club in CD'A managed to keep 4 courts and not turn them ALL into pickleball courts like they did with the other courts (turned them all into Pickleball). Not against Pickleball, but until I can't play semi-competitive tennis anymore I will keep playing tennis and MAYBE pick up pickleball or golf later in life. I played mixed for a while in Dana Point but man, couldn't take the constant lobbing with the women (and I love women, don't get me wrong). Drove me nuts, and that was when I was a 4.0 player. Now a solid 3.5 but at least the pace is still there with the Men's Doubles.
What were we talking about again? Oh politics....I'll stick to the tennis comments or piss more people off...you guys! So much I'd like to say but will refrain. Not worth it anymore. I'll stick to tennis and vintage BWW's.
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Dougal Cawley
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I beleive people are still buying tyres from us in the States and they are not having tariffs applied to them.
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Dougal, not at least as part of your billing, but in all likelihood they have had to pay it to the freight company. hopefully if the trade agreement goes through between the USA + UK this won't be much of an issue, but may still be 10% more. curious if you get any feedback from purchasers whether they have to or not.
ScottAndrews
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When I started this thread (for some reason my original post has disappeared), I noted that buying from W-N the shipping and price did not have any tariff. However, I got a bill form UPS for 25% of the customs declared value, and had to pay that before they delivered the parts.
So CLEARLY in this instance the buyer pays the tariff. I am sure for other more wholesale shipments, the US side distributor receiving the shipment pays the tariff, and then passes some or all of that down the chain.
Interesting. Deliveries under 800 dollars from China are still getting through unaffected for a business I know.I beleive people are still buying tyres from us in the States and they are not having tariffs applied to them.
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Looks like the enforcement is arbitrary.
Perhaps, but the problem is that a US customer who orders these tires won't know for certain that they will be delivered without the tariff until they are delivered without the tariff. I would think that would be uncommon (primarily because the shipping company would be foolish to take the chance that they can avoid being billed for uncollected tariffs retroactively). I suspect ScottAndrews' situation is far more likely, where the shipping company won't deliver until they collect the tariff even where this was not mentioned by the seller at the time of sale.I beleive people are still buying tyres from us in the States and they are not having tariffs applied to them.
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perhaps this is where a smart seller would say for US customers, the tires are 100 gbp each and the shipping is 115 gbp each
Rek
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Brexit? Yes that has not turned out to be the economic miracle that some predicted. Actually, a £2.7 tn decision which is a reminder to not shoot yourself in the foot when that foot is in your mouth.
Dougal Cawley
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The comments i have had are from other forums where we have bween shipping tyres out and there have been no tariffs.
i have been posting trying to develop a buying frenzy before the tariffs are in place, encouraging people to buy now before they are in place.
JHowever the truth is who knows what is going to happen tomorrow? so for now it seems to be OK, and my interpretation was that back at the beginning of April it was decided not to make a decision immediately and they saidf they would re group in 3 months. But no garuntees.
if you are in the States i recomend just buying these tyres from Lucas now. if you contact him and buy them you know what price he quotes and that should be set in stone. and the tyres he currently has have not had a tariff applied to them. however what we also know is the next container of tyres he buys could well have a heft tariff applied to them, which of course he will have to recoupe by putting the prices up. so grab them while you can. they will not become cheaper.
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Moderator, I have a suggestion. Please delete this entire thread like you did the Covid one before I say stuff that will get me kicked off here. If what Scott and Dougal just said isn't 100% political and testy then I don't know what is? Back to the coupe talk fellas. There are already other very smart and talented commentators on here that are not commenting anymore because of stuff like this.
I personally hope the thread sticks around. Even though I don't own an E9 at the moment, this has been a useful bit of content as I've been importing parts for my 964 over the past 18 months and trying to time and price UK and German markets. Even if the comments wander into highly adjacent political perspectives, this thread has been relevant and helpful for a number of practical "what and when" tariff topics. I'l gladly listen to the "why" comments at the same time.
guys, i'm with @Nachtycoupe here ... we have started to cross the line. i am going to leave it, but ... a couple of posts are going to be deleted. i think this is a good thread as LONG as we keep the political comments out of it.
Dougal Cawley
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Hi Natchtycoupe and rsporsche.
You are absolutley right. It was a slip.
I think this is a interesting topic, but at the same time tricky to not accidentally get political, which i definately did.
well said. Apologies
Dougal
Perhaps both suggestions are sound. I have learned interesting facts and perspectives, yet the thread has little searchable value in the future so removal is fine.
Dougal Cawley
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I think the discussion about what the effects of the Tariffs are going to be is interesting.
I beleive discussion about when we think they might come into place is interesting.
i think coments from people who are getting stuff shipped in and have not been hit by tariffs is interesting.
However the whys and wherefores of the tariffs is political and discussion for else where, as was my earlier coments. As our freind Natchtycoupe rightly pointed out.
I beleive discussion about when we think they might come into place is interesting.
i think coments from people who are getting stuff shipped in and have not been hit by tariffs is interesting.
However the whys and wherefores of the tariffs is political and discussion for else where, as was my earlier coments. As our freind Natchtycoupe rightly pointed out.
ScottAndrews
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I obviously do not have any issue with discussing the reasons why we have the policies we have. 
Discussing the impact of these tariffs is critically relevant to this group because as restorers of German cars, we are all directly affected by them. As I noted in my original post (which was not political, but merely a statement of an observed fact - yet it seems to have been removed), there has been a lot of mis-information/confusion about who exactly bears the cost of these tariffs. For me, getting a bill from UPS for $500 made that crystal clear, and my intent was to communicate that factual situation to everyone, so there would be no uncertainty about this topic. This experience reflects observations by numerous economists - most of the cost of the tariffs will be borne by higher consumer prices*. My experience, and SF Don's experience bear that out. I am sure we are not alone.
How and why we came to have such tariffs seems pretty obvious from a purely objective perspective, but to the extent that others have their own opinions about it, then it appears to be outside the scope of this forum.
That said, I think the discussion of the impacts, and examples of those impacts, on this group are relevant and important, because they directly affect everyone in this group.
* I am sure that in some more complex supply chains involving multiple wholesalers and distributors, the direct cost of any tariffs will be distributed among the various parties between the original importer and the final consumer, so that the consumers will not pay 100%, which is a point raised by some in this thread. That is true, but it really doesn't apply to the U.S. forum members, because inmost cases we are not buying parts through long complex distribution chains. So that discussion, while valid in a general sense, is sort of beside the point.
Discussing the impact of these tariffs is critically relevant to this group because as restorers of German cars, we are all directly affected by them. As I noted in my original post (which was not political, but merely a statement of an observed fact - yet it seems to have been removed), there has been a lot of mis-information/confusion about who exactly bears the cost of these tariffs. For me, getting a bill from UPS for $500 made that crystal clear, and my intent was to communicate that factual situation to everyone, so there would be no uncertainty about this topic. This experience reflects observations by numerous economists - most of the cost of the tariffs will be borne by higher consumer prices*. My experience, and SF Don's experience bear that out. I am sure we are not alone.
How and why we came to have such tariffs seems pretty obvious from a purely objective perspective, but to the extent that others have their own opinions about it, then it appears to be outside the scope of this forum.
That said, I think the discussion of the impacts, and examples of those impacts, on this group are relevant and important, because they directly affect everyone in this group.
* I am sure that in some more complex supply chains involving multiple wholesalers and distributors, the direct cost of any tariffs will be distributed among the various parties between the original importer and the final consumer, so that the consumers will not pay 100%, which is a point raised by some in this thread. That is true, but it really doesn't apply to the U.S. forum members, because inmost cases we are not buying parts through long complex distribution chains. So that discussion, while valid in a general sense, is sort of beside the point.
Scott, I think your question was relevant to the board. The answer seems to be "it depends".
My curiosity took me on the tangent of trying to understand more expensive vs inflationary.
My obsession is that things being more expensive is a one step transition to a new regime. I can adjust by consuming less and prioritizing, but the new prices may be stable. Inflation, in my opinion, is the collective belief that things will be more expensive tomorrow therefore it is best to buy today. In the extreme it leads to indexation of economic activity, and to having to manage your finances using differential equations rather than arithmetics
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Apologies for the tangent, and by the way I do not have the answers.
My curiosity took me on the tangent of trying to understand more expensive vs inflationary.
My obsession is that things being more expensive is a one step transition to a new regime. I can adjust by consuming less and prioritizing, but the new prices may be stable. Inflation, in my opinion, is the collective belief that things will be more expensive tomorrow therefore it is best to buy today. In the extreme it leads to indexation of economic activity, and to having to manage your finances using differential equations rather than arithmetics
.Apologies for the tangent, and by the way I do not have the answers.
Compared with a year ago, consumer prices are up 2.3 percent. That is the lowest inflation reading since February of 2021.
The April CPI report is the first since President Donald Trump announced tariff hikes on April 2’s Liberation Day. Some higher tariffs on China, however, have been in effect since February. Many economists had been expecting tariffs would push up consumer prices in April but the report indicates this has not happened.
The April CPI report is the first since President Donald Trump announced tariff hikes on April 2’s Liberation Day. Some higher tariffs on China, however, have been in effect since February. Many economists had been expecting tariffs would push up consumer prices in April but the report indicates this has not happened.
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