3D Printed elements of air conditioning/ventilation systems.
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Do you have a bracket for the compressor?
Yes, we have designed a new mount for our compressor from scratch, and it will be CNC and laser-cut next week
Tomorrow marks the official launch of the new, updated full air conditioning system, complete with a detailed description; to mark the occasion, we are hosting an exciting contest with attractive prizes.
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Question: why three relays?
Safety considerations and proper installation requirements for three high-power devices:
7-piston compressor.
Condenser fan.
Evaporator fan.
I agree on condenser fan and maybe evap fan but the compressor never used a relay.
Why?
The compressor's electromagnetic clutch draws about 4–5A, but it generates significant voltage spikes when disengaging. This relay is controlled by a safety loop (a thermostat plus a pressure switch) and safely activates the cooling system within the engine compartment.
Although the clutch coil of a Sanden SD7H15 compressor draws only about 3.8–4.5 A during continuous operation, the moment of disengagement presents a critical issue. The coil acts as a powerful inductor; when the power supply is cut off, it generates a high-voltage spike (reaching several hundred volts).
Without a relay, this back-EMF (flyback current) would strike the micro-contacts of a thermostat or a pressure switch directly, causing them to burn out rapidly, weld shut, or even completely melt the control electronics. Notably, the Bosch relay with an integrated diode (0986AH0602) that I have selected is ideal for this application, as the built-in diode suppresses these dangerous voltage surges.
The compressor's electromagnetic clutch draws about 4–5A, but it generates significant voltage spikes when disengaging. This relay is controlled by a safety loop (a thermostat plus a pressure switch) and safely activates the cooling system within the engine compartment.
Although the clutch coil of a Sanden SD7H15 compressor draws only about 3.8–4.5 A during continuous operation, the moment of disengagement presents a critical issue. The coil acts as a powerful inductor; when the power supply is cut off, it generates a high-voltage spike (reaching several hundred volts).
Without a relay, this back-EMF (flyback current) would strike the micro-contacts of a thermostat or a pressure switch directly, causing them to burn out rapidly, weld shut, or even completely melt the control electronics. Notably, the Bosch relay with an integrated diode (0986AH0602) that I have selected is ideal for this application, as the built-in diode suppresses these dangerous voltage surges.
PRESENTATION OF THE BMW E9 AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM
PART ONE:
While learning about the E9, I discovered that air conditioning was available as an optional extra—primarily for cars destined for the American market—and was usually installed by a BMW dealer at the customer's request.
In Europe, it was mainly in Italy and France that one could find examples equipped with an air conditioning system.
I decided that I would like to have such a system in my own car as well, since I plan to take it out mostly during the summer; I know how hot the interior can get—especially in a car with a dark-colored exterior—even after just a short time parked in direct sunlight.
I began gathering the components for the air conditioning system—a big shout-out to a few forum members who were a great help in this process.
As I collected the individual parts, I gradually familiarized myself with how air conditioning works and learned about each of its components.
The forum threads were incredibly helpful; they are a goldmine of knowledge on practically every topic related to the E9.
And this is where my long journey truly began—one that included a few surprising adventures along the way and culminated in the creation of a complete air conditioning system, designed to visually mirror the original factory setup while incorporating modern components and offering improved performance.
The first photo shows a complete air conditioning system removed from a BMW E9.
It took me nearly 5 years to assemble the set shown in the picture, and in the end, it turned out that one of the key components—which I had purchased believing it to be the correct one—was actually incorrect; and, in fact, completely wrong...
One of the major surprises we encountered—which caused us some trouble (thank goodness for modern technology!)—was the air conditioning evaporator base.
It might seem like a trivial detail, but it turns out to be crucial for a proper installation that won’t lead to further issues.
A key factor when installing an evaporator in a BMW E9 is its mounting height, which is determined precisely by this base.
Throughout my discussions on 3D printing—especially at the very beginning—I kept asking about the correct evaporator base.
I received various answers, but some people suggested using a base from a BMW E3—which, incidentally, is actually shown in the "blue book" (official manual) for the E9 under the air conditioning section. In fact, all the interior photos in that manual are of an E3; the center panel and the evaporator base shown there are specific to the E3 and do not fit the E9.
The center panel is—for obvious reasons—larger than the one in the E9, and the evaporator base is also significantly larger.
There were also suggestions that a base from an early-series E24 could be used. Well, perhaps, but…
And here we get to the heart of the matter: the correct evaporator base for the E9 is the smallest of them all in terms of surface area, and, most importantly, its mounting plate sits lower than on any of the other versions.
The "legs" of the evaporator base are only 1 cm high—or even less—as you can see in one of the photos below, which shows the stripped-down center tunnel of a car I once owned that had been imported from the USA. It has the correct evaporator mount for an E9 installed, and you can see exactly what the height of the front leg is in this photo. I made a mistake by not removing this mount before the sale, but at the time, I had two metal mounts that were supposed to fit an E9…
The second photo shows correct evaporator mount from my own car.
The third photo shows another correct mount.
The next two photos show the evaporator bases from a BMW E3 and E24.
In the bases for the E3 and E24, the support legs are two centimeters high.
It turns out that this extra centimeter is crucial for the correct installation of the system's individual components—specifically the air duct.
If the evaporator is mounted too high, it will not align with the air duct's inlet and outlet openings.
This elevation also creates issues with the proper assembly of the entire section, including the center panel and the large side panels.
The issue regarding the base came to light about three weeks ago during a trial assembly of our kit.
By comparing our components with an original set, we were able to verify the height differences, as shown in the attached scans and renders.
PART ONE:
While learning about the E9, I discovered that air conditioning was available as an optional extra—primarily for cars destined for the American market—and was usually installed by a BMW dealer at the customer's request.
In Europe, it was mainly in Italy and France that one could find examples equipped with an air conditioning system.
I decided that I would like to have such a system in my own car as well, since I plan to take it out mostly during the summer; I know how hot the interior can get—especially in a car with a dark-colored exterior—even after just a short time parked in direct sunlight.
I began gathering the components for the air conditioning system—a big shout-out to a few forum members who were a great help in this process.
As I collected the individual parts, I gradually familiarized myself with how air conditioning works and learned about each of its components.
The forum threads were incredibly helpful; they are a goldmine of knowledge on practically every topic related to the E9.
And this is where my long journey truly began—one that included a few surprising adventures along the way and culminated in the creation of a complete air conditioning system, designed to visually mirror the original factory setup while incorporating modern components and offering improved performance.
The first photo shows a complete air conditioning system removed from a BMW E9.
It took me nearly 5 years to assemble the set shown in the picture, and in the end, it turned out that one of the key components—which I had purchased believing it to be the correct one—was actually incorrect; and, in fact, completely wrong...
One of the major surprises we encountered—which caused us some trouble (thank goodness for modern technology!)—was the air conditioning evaporator base.
It might seem like a trivial detail, but it turns out to be crucial for a proper installation that won’t lead to further issues.
A key factor when installing an evaporator in a BMW E9 is its mounting height, which is determined precisely by this base.
Throughout my discussions on 3D printing—especially at the very beginning—I kept asking about the correct evaporator base.
I received various answers, but some people suggested using a base from a BMW E3—which, incidentally, is actually shown in the "blue book" (official manual) for the E9 under the air conditioning section. In fact, all the interior photos in that manual are of an E3; the center panel and the evaporator base shown there are specific to the E3 and do not fit the E9.
The center panel is—for obvious reasons—larger than the one in the E9, and the evaporator base is also significantly larger.
There were also suggestions that a base from an early-series E24 could be used. Well, perhaps, but…
And here we get to the heart of the matter: the correct evaporator base for the E9 is the smallest of them all in terms of surface area, and, most importantly, its mounting plate sits lower than on any of the other versions.
The "legs" of the evaporator base are only 1 cm high—or even less—as you can see in one of the photos below, which shows the stripped-down center tunnel of a car I once owned that had been imported from the USA. It has the correct evaporator mount for an E9 installed, and you can see exactly what the height of the front leg is in this photo. I made a mistake by not removing this mount before the sale, but at the time, I had two metal mounts that were supposed to fit an E9…
The second photo shows correct evaporator mount from my own car.
The third photo shows another correct mount.
The next two photos show the evaporator bases from a BMW E3 and E24.
In the bases for the E3 and E24, the support legs are two centimeters high.
It turns out that this extra centimeter is crucial for the correct installation of the system's individual components—specifically the air duct.
If the evaporator is mounted too high, it will not align with the air duct's inlet and outlet openings.
This elevation also creates issues with the proper assembly of the entire section, including the center panel and the large side panels.
The issue regarding the base came to light about three weeks ago during a trial assembly of our kit.
By comparing our components with an original set, we were able to verify the height differences, as shown in the attached scans and renders.
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PART TWO:
Another change I decided to implement while designing the individual components concerns the mounting method for the side panels.
I have always been annoyed by those unsightly screws used to secure the side panels; they disrupt the overall appearance of the surface—especially around the decorative trim strip on the side panel.
Our system uses only two attachment points, concealed beneath the edges of the panels (which feature an "elephant skin" texture), where internal connectors are secured.
For the central panel, we replaced the original mounting method with threaded inserts positioned on the inner side of the side panels. The central panel is screwed into these inserts before the entire assembly is slid onto the evaporator unit.
Two additional connectors serve to bind the entire structure together. One is located in the center section, attached to the evaporator base, with its ends bolted to the side panels. The second is positioned at the front of the side panels, just below the gear shifter console—a component we also redesigned to improve both its fit and its mounting method, again utilizing a threaded insert and a screw.
We have refined every component of the console assembly. After scanning the factory-original parts and reviewing a vast number of photographs of interiors equipped with air conditioning, it became clear that, in most cases, these components do not fit together precisely. This often results in uneven gaps and structural misalignments—frequently caused by the evaporator being mounted at the wrong height, often due to the use of an incorrect base.
Another change I decided to implement while designing the individual components concerns the mounting method for the side panels.
I have always been annoyed by those unsightly screws used to secure the side panels; they disrupt the overall appearance of the surface—especially around the decorative trim strip on the side panel.
Our system uses only two attachment points, concealed beneath the edges of the panels (which feature an "elephant skin" texture), where internal connectors are secured.
For the central panel, we replaced the original mounting method with threaded inserts positioned on the inner side of the side panels. The central panel is screwed into these inserts before the entire assembly is slid onto the evaporator unit.
Two additional connectors serve to bind the entire structure together. One is located in the center section, attached to the evaporator base, with its ends bolted to the side panels. The second is positioned at the front of the side panels, just below the gear shifter console—a component we also redesigned to improve both its fit and its mounting method, again utilizing a threaded insert and a screw.
We have refined every component of the console assembly. After scanning the factory-original parts and reviewing a vast number of photographs of interiors equipped with air conditioning, it became clear that, in most cases, these components do not fit together precisely. This often results in uneven gaps and structural misalignments—frequently caused by the evaporator being mounted at the wrong height, often due to the use of an incorrect base.
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PART THREE:
Our entire kit is a "plug-and-play" solution for any left-hand-drive E9 body style, operating with a modern refrigerant.
We have replaced the original factory components—including the A/C condenser, condenser fan, compressor (with its mounting bracket and V-belt), receiver-drier, evaporator core, expansion valve, blower fan, temperature and fan-speed controls, and the entire electrical system—with high-quality, modern equivalents. There were no compromises made here.
At the heart of the system is a redesigned evaporator unit, featuring a modern core, an expansion valve, and a powerful three-speed blower from Spal, which offers significantly higher airflow capacity than the original unit.
Another key component is the virtually indestructible 7-piston compressor from Sanden, which is much better suited to the E9’s engine than the original 5-piston version.
The system also includes an upgraded condenser and a 120W fan. This setup ensures the car can be driven with confidence even in extreme heat or heavy traffic—conditions that would typically overwhelm the original factory air conditioning system.
From my perspective, another crucial element of the system is the electrical setup.
Unfortunately, the factory-spec E9 comes equipped with an alternator that has a very low power output. With the factory-installed alternator, this car lacks sufficient electrical power…
Adding our air conditioning system—which includes three highly power-hungry components:
a compressor,
a radiator fan,
and a blower fan
will overwhelm the car’s electrical system.
If a potential buyer decides to purchase our kit, they must upgrade to a more powerful alternator.
Compatible alternators can be found in BMW E24, E28, and E34 models. The minimum recommended output is 90A.
The entire electrical setup for our system is independent and installed separately.
It includes:
A compact, sealed enclosure for relays and fuses.
Three Bosch relays, one of which features a diode (the diode serves as a protective measure).
Four fuses, including a main fuse housed in a separate protective casing located directly at the battery.
As the saying goes: "Safety first."
Another component that ensures the proper operation of the entire air conditioning system is a pressure switch (presostat). In our case, we use a highly advanced, three-function unit. It monitors compressor pressure and controls the radiator fan.
Regarding the interior components:
The central panel features a textured finish and offers a choice of English or German labeling. The first 15–20 units will be equipped with original control knobs; we are currently working on developing replicas.
The panel incorporates modern controls for temperature and blower fan speed.
As in the original design, the temperature control utilizes a probe positioned inside the evaporator to monitor the temperature.
Behind the central panel, mounted on our custom-designed bracket, is an evaporator unit featuring a modern core, an expansion valve, and a high-output, three-speed fan. The refrigerant lines extending from the evaporator core are shaped to match the original, allowing for direct installation.
However, we have updated the connection system to use O-rings.
The assembly is enclosed by a structure consisting of large side panels joined by connectors and finished with smaller panels that faithfully replicate the original surface texture.
The final component of our proprietary system is a redesigned center console, with a particular focus on fitment and mounting methods.
Ultimately, the large side panels and the gear-shifter console will be upholstered.
For a complete visual effect, we recommend purchasing the decorative trim strips offered by one of our forum members; once installed, these provide a polished finishing touch, ensuring a clean, screw-free appearance that is much more aesthetically pleasing.
You can see the results of our more than two years of development work in the photos below. It was a long journey, fraught with many challenges, but looking at the final result, I believe it was worth it.
The entire system has been tested for assembly, leak-tightness, and functionality.
We provide a lifetime warranty on all 3D-printed components.
If something cracks or breaks, just let us know, and we will replace it with a new part.
All other components are covered by a 24-month warranty.
Below is a list of all the components that make up the complete set:
- Radiator
- Radiator fan
- Compressor, including mounting bracket and V-belt
- Receiver-drier
- Pressure switch
- Relay and fuse box
- Three relays and four fuses
- Complete evaporator unit, including expansion valve and refrigerant lines
- Evaporator base, including mounting brackets and drainage funnel
- Air duct
- Defroster vents
- Center panel, including graphics, controls, and original knobs
- Pair of large side panels
- Pair of small side panels
- Gear shifter console
- Miscellaneous installation hardware (brackets and bolts)
The price for the complete set listed above is 5,500 Euros, plus shipping costs (which will vary based on the buyer's location).
Individual components are also available for purchase separately.
Please send specific inquiries via direct message on the forum or via email to [email protected].
To mark the launch of our retro air conditioning system, we are hosting a contest with some exciting prizes. As an added incentive, the grand prize is our complete air conditioning system!
You can find the link to the contest thread below:
For the duration of the contest, the set is available at a promotional price of 5,000 Euros.
This price will remain in effect throughout the entire duration of the contest (linked above).
The contest runs for one month, starting today.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask—I will do my best to answer them! As an interesting side note, we are currently working on a complete interior sound system for the E9…
Finally, a huge thank You to:
- DON
- TomHom
- DLC
- BMW3.0CSI
- Blinkling
- The Cracow Company "Frosti"– for assembling and testing the core and its components, as well as providing technical consultation.
- Siraya Tech
And to my Polish team—without You, this project would never have gotten off the ground, let alone succeeded:
Graphic Designer – Adrian
Scanner – Sebastian
Technical aspects of 3D printing – Artur
Mental and financial support – Lukas
Thank You all, Gentlemen!!!
One project delivered—time for the next ones.
More details coming soon…
Our entire kit is a "plug-and-play" solution for any left-hand-drive E9 body style, operating with a modern refrigerant.
We have replaced the original factory components—including the A/C condenser, condenser fan, compressor (with its mounting bracket and V-belt), receiver-drier, evaporator core, expansion valve, blower fan, temperature and fan-speed controls, and the entire electrical system—with high-quality, modern equivalents. There were no compromises made here.
At the heart of the system is a redesigned evaporator unit, featuring a modern core, an expansion valve, and a powerful three-speed blower from Spal, which offers significantly higher airflow capacity than the original unit.
Another key component is the virtually indestructible 7-piston compressor from Sanden, which is much better suited to the E9’s engine than the original 5-piston version.
The system also includes an upgraded condenser and a 120W fan. This setup ensures the car can be driven with confidence even in extreme heat or heavy traffic—conditions that would typically overwhelm the original factory air conditioning system.
From my perspective, another crucial element of the system is the electrical setup.
Unfortunately, the factory-spec E9 comes equipped with an alternator that has a very low power output. With the factory-installed alternator, this car lacks sufficient electrical power…
Adding our air conditioning system—which includes three highly power-hungry components:
a compressor,
a radiator fan,
and a blower fan
will overwhelm the car’s electrical system.
If a potential buyer decides to purchase our kit, they must upgrade to a more powerful alternator.
Compatible alternators can be found in BMW E24, E28, and E34 models. The minimum recommended output is 90A.
The entire electrical setup for our system is independent and installed separately.
It includes:
A compact, sealed enclosure for relays and fuses.
Three Bosch relays, one of which features a diode (the diode serves as a protective measure).
Four fuses, including a main fuse housed in a separate protective casing located directly at the battery.
As the saying goes: "Safety first."
Another component that ensures the proper operation of the entire air conditioning system is a pressure switch (presostat). In our case, we use a highly advanced, three-function unit. It monitors compressor pressure and controls the radiator fan.
Regarding the interior components:
The central panel features a textured finish and offers a choice of English or German labeling. The first 15–20 units will be equipped with original control knobs; we are currently working on developing replicas.
The panel incorporates modern controls for temperature and blower fan speed.
As in the original design, the temperature control utilizes a probe positioned inside the evaporator to monitor the temperature.
Behind the central panel, mounted on our custom-designed bracket, is an evaporator unit featuring a modern core, an expansion valve, and a high-output, three-speed fan. The refrigerant lines extending from the evaporator core are shaped to match the original, allowing for direct installation.
However, we have updated the connection system to use O-rings.
The assembly is enclosed by a structure consisting of large side panels joined by connectors and finished with smaller panels that faithfully replicate the original surface texture.
The final component of our proprietary system is a redesigned center console, with a particular focus on fitment and mounting methods.
Ultimately, the large side panels and the gear-shifter console will be upholstered.
For a complete visual effect, we recommend purchasing the decorative trim strips offered by one of our forum members; once installed, these provide a polished finishing touch, ensuring a clean, screw-free appearance that is much more aesthetically pleasing.
You can see the results of our more than two years of development work in the photos below. It was a long journey, fraught with many challenges, but looking at the final result, I believe it was worth it.
The entire system has been tested for assembly, leak-tightness, and functionality.
We provide a lifetime warranty on all 3D-printed components.
If something cracks or breaks, just let us know, and we will replace it with a new part.
All other components are covered by a 24-month warranty.
Below is a list of all the components that make up the complete set:
- Radiator
- Radiator fan
- Compressor, including mounting bracket and V-belt
- Receiver-drier
- Pressure switch
- Relay and fuse box
- Three relays and four fuses
- Complete evaporator unit, including expansion valve and refrigerant lines
- Evaporator base, including mounting brackets and drainage funnel
- Air duct
- Defroster vents
- Center panel, including graphics, controls, and original knobs
- Pair of large side panels
- Pair of small side panels
- Gear shifter console
- Miscellaneous installation hardware (brackets and bolts)
The price for the complete set listed above is 5,500 Euros, plus shipping costs (which will vary based on the buyer's location).
Individual components are also available for purchase separately.
Please send specific inquiries via direct message on the forum or via email to [email protected].
To mark the launch of our retro air conditioning system, we are hosting a contest with some exciting prizes. As an added incentive, the grand prize is our complete air conditioning system!
You can find the link to the contest thread below:
For the duration of the contest, the set is available at a promotional price of 5,000 Euros.
This price will remain in effect throughout the entire duration of the contest (linked above).
The contest runs for one month, starting today.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask—I will do my best to answer them! As an interesting side note, we are currently working on a complete interior sound system for the E9…
Finally, a huge thank You to:
- DON
- TomHom
- DLC
- BMW3.0CSI
- Blinkling
- The Cracow Company "Frosti"– for assembling and testing the core and its components, as well as providing technical consultation.
- Siraya Tech
And to my Polish team—without You, this project would never have gotten off the ground, let alone succeeded:
Graphic Designer – Adrian
Scanner – Sebastian
Technical aspects of 3D printing – Artur
Mental and financial support – Lukas
Thank You all, Gentlemen!!!
One project delivered—time for the next ones.
More details coming soon…
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@Lucas - I commented on one of your facebook posts, but may want to modify the above and/or add additional information
1. You state that a radiator is included but I believe you mean the parallel condenser along with the condenser/radiator fan, both of which mount in front of the radiator currently in the car, which does not need changing for your retrofit. Are you including a means to mount the condenser into the car as well as mount the fan?
2. When advertising this outside of the forum, for the aluminum you may want to put a link to oilsdesigngroup.com since sometimes non-forum members have difficulty accessing older forum posts
3. You've included a fan belt but it is critical for people to know that the pulley on their harmonic balancer may need to be changed to accommodate powering the Sanden compressor. My car is a Euro 1972 CSi and did NOT come with AC, so in order to retrofit AC I would need to upgrade that pulley to allow for that additional belt location. This isn't a HARD job to do, but a full retrofit would include that pulley as well. I'm not suggesting you add that into your package but may be worthwhile to make a mention of this required part.
4. Given the system as you've designed it the choice of refrigerant may be up to the end user but I suspect you designed it for R134A? May be worth including that information. Does the set come with a full set of installation instructions? This obviously could be installed by many of us here on the forum, but we are perhaps the "tip of the spear" when it comes to what we are willing to take on given the numerous restoration projects included in these pages. For the average E9 owner, and for your advertising, I would suggest including a link to installation instructions or the comment "We recommend installation by a person experienced with E9s", etc. Since the TXV valve is contained within the evaporator housing, installation here is a bit of a three-part process - install the basic components mechanical and plumbing components into the vehicle but don't install any side panels or trim, bring the vehicle to radiator shop for filling of refrigerant and checking of all hose connections, then finishing the installation of the side pieces, gear shift console, etc.
5. Is your vision that the side console pieces and gear shift console are installed as-is or are you imagining that purchasers will cover them in vinyl locally? Your biggest competition for this kit retrofit is obviously the Oldenzaal kit, which comes at a significant cost over your option and doesn't necessarily have some of the "upgrades" of 3-position fan, separate relays and fuses, etc, but does include fully finished side consoles and a gearshift console. Your summary is a bit vague on this, suggesting that in the future you may offer it covered but not currently...
My points/questions above are not meant as criticisms - I am sincerely impressed at what you've put together. I hope that you are able to sell lots of these (and of course will be entering the photo contest - just thinking up good photo ideas!) and so am approaching this as "what would I want to know if I were a buyer"
1. You state that a radiator is included but I believe you mean the parallel condenser along with the condenser/radiator fan, both of which mount in front of the radiator currently in the car, which does not need changing for your retrofit. Are you including a means to mount the condenser into the car as well as mount the fan?
2. When advertising this outside of the forum, for the aluminum you may want to put a link to oilsdesigngroup.com since sometimes non-forum members have difficulty accessing older forum posts
3. You've included a fan belt but it is critical for people to know that the pulley on their harmonic balancer may need to be changed to accommodate powering the Sanden compressor. My car is a Euro 1972 CSi and did NOT come with AC, so in order to retrofit AC I would need to upgrade that pulley to allow for that additional belt location. This isn't a HARD job to do, but a full retrofit would include that pulley as well. I'm not suggesting you add that into your package but may be worthwhile to make a mention of this required part.
4. Given the system as you've designed it the choice of refrigerant may be up to the end user but I suspect you designed it for R134A? May be worth including that information. Does the set come with a full set of installation instructions? This obviously could be installed by many of us here on the forum, but we are perhaps the "tip of the spear" when it comes to what we are willing to take on given the numerous restoration projects included in these pages. For the average E9 owner, and for your advertising, I would suggest including a link to installation instructions or the comment "We recommend installation by a person experienced with E9s", etc. Since the TXV valve is contained within the evaporator housing, installation here is a bit of a three-part process - install the basic components mechanical and plumbing components into the vehicle but don't install any side panels or trim, bring the vehicle to radiator shop for filling of refrigerant and checking of all hose connections, then finishing the installation of the side pieces, gear shift console, etc.
5. Is your vision that the side console pieces and gear shift console are installed as-is or are you imagining that purchasers will cover them in vinyl locally? Your biggest competition for this kit retrofit is obviously the Oldenzaal kit, which comes at a significant cost over your option and doesn't necessarily have some of the "upgrades" of 3-position fan, separate relays and fuses, etc, but does include fully finished side consoles and a gearshift console. Your summary is a bit vague on this, suggesting that in the future you may offer it covered but not currently...
My points/questions above are not meant as criticisms - I am sincerely impressed at what you've put together. I hope that you are able to sell lots of these (and of course will be entering the photo contest - just thinking up good photo ideas!) and so am approaching this as "what would I want to know if I were a buyer"
Thank you for your valuable feedback. Since I’m not a fan of social media, a friend of mine—also named Lukas (spelled with a "k")—handles the promotion on Facebook.
I’ve passed your comments on to him, but please keep in mind that Facebook has significant limitations when it comes to presenting the kind of extensive content found in my forum post.
It certainly won’t look as clear or organized as the forum post—which, admittedly, is already massive in scale.
Nevertheless, he will refine it as best he can and will likely include a link to the forum thread for those who would like to learn more details.
As for upholstering the console and panels, I gave it a lot of thought—I have the means to do it and access to a truly excellent upholsterer—but the truth is, it would only really make sense if the entire dashboard were covered in a material with a consistent texture.
The textures of the materials vary, and if I were the buyer, I would want a uniform texture across all the dashboard components, rather than having two different ones.
That said, I can certainly arrange for them to be upholstered upon the request of a potential buyer.
I’ve passed your comments on to him, but please keep in mind that Facebook has significant limitations when it comes to presenting the kind of extensive content found in my forum post.
It certainly won’t look as clear or organized as the forum post—which, admittedly, is already massive in scale.
Nevertheless, he will refine it as best he can and will likely include a link to the forum thread for those who would like to learn more details.
As for upholstering the console and panels, I gave it a lot of thought—I have the means to do it and access to a truly excellent upholsterer—but the truth is, it would only really make sense if the entire dashboard were covered in a material with a consistent texture.
The textures of the materials vary, and if I were the buyer, I would want a uniform texture across all the dashboard components, rather than having two different ones.
That said, I can certainly arrange for them to be upholstered upon the request of a potential buyer.
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This is a very interesting project.
After many failed attempts to have a good AC in my restored E9 this does interest me.
Although quite expensive there are a lot of componets here.
The key is- has anyone installed this system?????
I don't like the looks of the side panels without the upholstery but I guess they could be upholstered.
Since my car is more like a resto mod than totally original maybe that would have to be a detail I would have to give up on.
Sorry I haven't been on here much lately.
Still have all the cars and maintaining them requires a lot of time. Currently my 88 M5 has a blown head gasket. My fall/winter project.
My 2002 has turn signal problems I can't seem to figure out and the 87 Porsche after 5 years of ownership has developed and oil leak.
It's always someting to fix.
I also bought another sail boat and have been racing that this summer. Another item to take care of and spend money on. At 78 it's time to slow down. LOL!
What do others think about this system?
@HB Chris
@rsporsche
After many failed attempts to have a good AC in my restored E9 this does interest me.
Although quite expensive there are a lot of componets here.
The key is- has anyone installed this system?????
I don't like the looks of the side panels without the upholstery but I guess they could be upholstered.
Since my car is more like a resto mod than totally original maybe that would have to be a detail I would have to give up on.
Sorry I haven't been on here much lately.
Still have all the cars and maintaining them requires a lot of time. Currently my 88 M5 has a blown head gasket. My fall/winter project.
My 2002 has turn signal problems I can't seem to figure out and the 87 Porsche after 5 years of ownership has developed and oil leak.
It's always someting to fix.
I also bought another sail boat and have been racing that this summer. Another item to take care of and spend money on. At 78 it's time to slow down. LOL!
What do others think about this system?
@HB Chris
@rsporsche
first Gary ... great to see you on the forum. second - go to the OFF-TOPIC forum and look at this thread - https://e9coupe.com/forum/threads/contest-for-the-most-interesting-photo-featuring-a-bmw-e9.51169/
you are a great photographer and this is a competition that features a coupe in a creative photo. @m5bb - you should enter. first prize is this complete system.
you are a great photographer and this is a competition that features a coupe in a creative photo. @m5bb - you should enter. first prize is this complete system.
Regarding the compressor bracket—since there have been some questions:
The individual components of the design are currently being cut out.
Once cut, they will be welded and then galvanized.
Perhaps one of the forum members will soon show the entire installation process in a car on the forum...
The individual components of the design are currently being cut out.
Once cut, they will be welded and then galvanized.
Perhaps one of the forum members will soon show the entire installation process in a car on the forum...
