3.0 CSL is undervalued... 74 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 3.0 (RHD) for $600 000!

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Ok just ignore me...then just keep on bickering and see where that gets you all...

...and the rest of us here that squirm at the thought of this thread being confirmation as to what the potential new members hear about us before they actually come out of their closets and dare post a hello...

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Chicane, Again discussing with you is pointless. Go back and read what I wrote starting back from the first page. Grouping all coupes in the same category is like grouping all 2002's in the same category.
Your inflation comment has nothing to do with my point. It has no bearing on someone who bought a coupe in the last decade and sold it for twice or three times what they paid, does it?? Do you not believe that has happened because it hasnt been published in one of your links?
First series cars, bats, alpinas, race cars, are the cars I specifically listed as most collectible E9's and are selling at significant gains over the last decade. Whether or not you think standard coupes or town kit csl's will follow suit is entirely a different discussion, as are condition and originality which are major factors when speaking about certain CSL's value.
 
eastsideM3 said:
Chicane, Again discussing with you is pointless. Go back and read what I wrote starting back from the first page. Grouping all coupes in the same category is like grouping all 2002's in the same category.
Your inflation comment has nothing to do with my point. It has no bearing on someone who bought a coupe in the last decade and sold it for twice or three times what they paid, does it?? Do you not believe that has happened because it hasnt been published in one of your links?
First series cars, bats, alpinas, race cars, are the cars I specifically listed as most collectible E9's and are selling at significant gains over the last decade. Whether or not you think standard coupes or town kit csl's will follow suit is entirely a different discussion, as are condition and originality which are major factors when speaking about certain CSL's value.
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What does that have to do with the here and now. As they say in the equities business, 'Past performance does NOT guarantee future results'. Do you know what that means? I could have bought 1000 shares of Ford this time last year and sold it for three times what I paid for it but it doesn't mean that I can do the same thing next year. And if you buy a coupe now and hold it for 10 years it doesn't mean that you are going to make any money.

ALL collector cars went up in the last 10 years but there has been some serious leveling off in the last two years.
 
Speaking about the interesting CSL history, an interesting fact is the CSL deliveries (2275xxx and 2285xxx) in September 1972.

Of the 429 non-bat, Germany and Italy got the majority of the cars. 205 of these CSLs were sold to German customers and 153 to Italy (then Austria with 21 cars etc).

The CSL delivery started in September 1972 to Italian (2275xxx) and UK (2285xxx)customers because these two countries had already placed pre-orders for hundreds of CSLs. First in the following month, October 1972, the German customers got their first 2275xxx CSLs.

In order to support the sales of the CSL, BMW released the special CSL sales bruchure also in September 1972.

Remember that BMW's goal was to sell at least 1000 CSLs for the homologation purposes. So far, in September 1972, BMW had sold most of the 169 carb ones and had pre-orders of 200-300 CSLs from Italy and UK. In total, so far, some 350-450 CSLs were sold out of the estimated 1000.

I can imagine that there were some nervous BMW managers, who crossed their fingers that they would sell some more CSLs. As this was a very expensive car at the time, there were big difficulties to sell them.

Therefore, I think BMW accepted a lot of special requests from clients who wanted to sig-up for a CSL.

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Chicane - you really do touch everyone up the wrong way - does it give you pleasure to annoy people?

Anyway, it is fairly obvious that csls are rising in value at above inflation and versus comparable cars could have some way to go.
 
I would agree as Adam has turned down 2 offers of 150,000 Canadian dollars for his...

Hopefully I will never have to be faced with that distressing decision...I say go for the $200k mark you need to break even and offer to bring the car back to Colorado?

lol!

Ran
 
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I dont know which is more pathetic - us getting riled by chicane and his inability to express his opinion without winding people up or you guys going to the trouble to post those pics!
 
30csl said:
I dont know which is more pathetic - us getting riled by chicane
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Bingo. There is nothing to get riled about. If you don't want get riled don't respond.
I just love it how people attempt to attack me for my opinion, paint me as the bad guy, but their opinions must go unchallenged....
 
chicane said:
Bingo. There is nothing to get riled about. If you don't want get riled don't respond.
I just love it how people attempt to attack me for my opinion, paint me as the bad guy, but their opinions must go unchallenged....
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Because you state it like its fact when you're flat out wrong. You dont acknowledge anyone who has first hand experience and post pointless links from NADA just to suit your arguement. Going back to your other post, AGAIN, the Taiga batmobile, the Inka carb CSL, and the Alpina, have all been sold within the last six or eight months at very high sales for these cars. Im telling you from first hand knowledge that both the Alpina and Inka car were sold for nice profits. Now you want to spin your "opinion" and say from this day forward were going to see depreciation, because you've been proven wrong?
Everyone knows we're in an economic downturn, but extremely rare limited production cars such as Alpina CSL'S, bats, carb CSL's, and Porsche RS, are, and always will trade for big dollars now because most people that buy 100K plus cars aren't worrying about the economy and they're the ones that are making that market now.
BMW's like E30 M3's, 2002 turbos, and a few others have taken a hit, because a lot of buyers of those cars ARE affected by this economic downturn.
 
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Because you state it like its fact when you're flat out wrong. You dont acknowledge anyone who has first hand experience
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And once again this is called anecdotal.

eastsideM3 said:
and post pointless links from NADA just to suit your arguement.
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I just LOVE IT how people discount companies who are IN BUSINESS to determine automobile pricing; using experts and custom databases and years of experience, who have no skin in the game, in lieu of Joe 'Anonymous' InternetPoster who has a vested interest in seeing coupe prices skyrocket and no real data to back up his claim other than I knew some guy who sold his for....

I think we know who's data is pointless....


eastsideM3 said:
{anecdotal garbage snipped}
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You have the real data in the links above please read them.


eastsideM3 said:
Everyone knows we're in an economic downturn, but extremely rare limited production cars such as Alpina CSL'S, bats, carb CSL's, and Porsche RS, are, and always will trade for big dollars now because most people that buy 100K plus cars aren't worrying about the economy
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With that last statement now I know you don't know what you are talking about. Why is that people like you think wealthy people don't worry about economic downturns, don't watch their money, splurge like crazy even in bad times:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/even-the-rich-now-worry-about-running-out-of-money

You have been thoroughly rebutted and defeated by THE FACTS, not conjecture or anecdotal evidence. Have a nice day and thanks for playing. owned.
 
Chicane-

For all your arguing on facts...I'll ask you a third time...

Where did you get your numbers to say "primo" examples of the Carrera RS are going for 100-150K?

Facts, please.
 
chicane said:
And once again this is called anecdotal.



I just LOVE IT how people discount companies who are IN BUSINESS to determine automobile pricing; using experts and custom databases and years of experience, who have no skin in the game, in lieu of Joe 'Anonymous' InternetPoster who has a vested interest in seeing coupe prices skyrocket and no real data to back up his claim other than I knew some guy who sold his for....

I think we know who's data is pointless....




You have the real data in the links above please read them.




With that last statement now I know you don't know what you are talking about. Why is that people like you think wealthy people don't worry about economic downturns, don't watch their money, splurge like crazy even in bad times:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/even-the-rich-now-worry-about-running-out-of-money

You have been thoroughly rebutted and defeated by THE FACTS, not conjecture or anecdotal evidence. Have a nice day and thanks for playing. owned.
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You really are a total putz with no clue. Anecdotal? Were all making this up to watch the market skyrocket? Its a complete conspiracy. NADA has the true data on recent sales of Bats, Alpina CSL's, and carb CSL's?? LOL!!! How could anyone track the sales of so few cars in existence that span accross the entire world??
You've owned nothing, only proved how much of a troll you are, and havent read or cant understand a thing Ive written by things you keep writing.
And to your last statement, I never said anything about rich people splurging and spending money like crazy, they can simply support a market far better than someone like you, who obviously the sky is falling in on. Bye bye..
 
Im just speaking the facts and Im sure 99% of the people on this board would agree with me. You dont read, only write what you see fit.
One of the links on the RS shows a car that has been reshelled with an entirely different body. Thats a great barometer for general sales of Porsches RS's isnt it?? Again your comparing apples to oranges, like youve been doing all along.
Unless you can come up with links to recent sales of the very specific cars that Ive listed, which doesnt exist, you have to go by what people who have had experience selling or buying these cars say and what information they can provide you. There are plenty of sellers and owners on this site that have provided information thats credible, yet you seem to think everyone is lying for their own self indulgence.
Anytime someone chimes in that has experience, you immediately shoot them down and call them conspiracy theorists, and that's why noone likes you.
 
chicane said:
How much did you pay for your coupe?
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What does that have to do with anything? As Ive said, I did my own personal research for two years straight, specifically on carb and bat cars, through all of 2008 and 2009.
I own an Alpina B2-S. Go look for NADA book information on that one.
 
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