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THE STARTER IS FIXED


HATS FOR YOUR COMMENT
I SPENT 10 K TO BUY THIS MOTOR .
I COULD HAVE SPENT A FEW THOUSAND TO TAKE IT TO THE MACHINE SHOP AND
HAVE IT DONE FOR A 3.3 SETUP , WHICH NOW SEEMS TO BE A SIMPLER WAY TO GO
THE REASON I STARTED THIS IS THE OEM ENGINE IS A DOG AND IT CANT GET OUT OF ITS OWN WAY
TO GO DOWN THE ROAD
SO I SAY THIS ENGINE AND DECIDED IT WAS A BETTER WAY TO GO FOR THE OVERALL
SPEED OFF THE NEW SETUP
I DIDNT THINK THERE WOULD BE A ONLY A FEW PEOPLE TO CONFIGURE THE ECU
SP ILL JUST HAVE TO WAIT TILL SOMEONE CAN COME OUT AND HELP
I GOING TO RESEARCH ALL DATA AND MAY END UP DOING THE SETUP
MYSELF

TAHNSK ALANN
 
Alan…… quit yelling.
its rude.
you are offending the very people you need to help you.
 
Alan, I will go check things out, do not expect miracles in one shot. I would like to learn what is going on and see what a practical path is. If all that remains to fix is cabling and configuring electronics modules, there is hope. I am 60 miles away so it is not practical to swing by today for an hour... I need to clear half a day maybe next week.
 
Just so you know my 3.0 is a peppy little doggie for a 50 year old.
 
YES ITS READY TO GO
IT JUST NEEDS THE LINK UNIT TO FIRE THE COIL AND
KEEP IT RUNNING

IM NOT YELLING I HAVE MY KEYBOARD SET FOR AUTOCAD THAT HAS ALL
NOTES IN CAPS SO IM TO LAZY TO PRINT ALL IN SMALLCASE
I CAN IF ITS REALLY SUCH AN ISSUE
IF YOU NOTICE MY WHOLE POST HAS BEEN CAPS
NO OFFENCE

MY KEYBOARD IS PROGRAMMABLE SO I NEED TO FIND THE KEY THAT KEEPS IT JUMPING TO
CAPS - ITS THE SPACE BAR
ILL ATTEMPT TO FIX IT
ok i think i have it fixed
ill do small case from now on as the request came from such a prominent
member ok sf don all done
 
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YES ITS READY TO GO
IT JUST NEEDS THE LINK UNIT TO FIRE THE COIL AND
KEEP IT RUNNING

IM NOT YELLING I HAVE MY KEYBOARD SET FOR AUTOCAD THAT HAS ALL
NOTES IN CAPS SO IM TO LAZY TO PRINT ALL IN SMALLCASE
I CAN IF ITS REALLY SUCH AN ISSUE
IF YOU NOTICE MY WHOLE POST HAS BEEN CAPS
NO OFFENCE

MY KEYBOARD IS PROGRAMMABLE SO I NEED TO FIND THE KEY THAT KEEPS IT JUMPING TO
CAPS - ITS THE SPACE BAR
ILL ATTEMPT TO FIX IT
ok i think i have it fixed
ill do small case from now on as the request came from such a prominent
member ok sf don all done
LOL. This made me laugh for some reason. Thanks Alan.
 
Ok, I am confirmed for Saturday. Does anybody have a wiring diagram of what the Link ECU should look like after installed for an s38 engine? Any other ideas of what sequence of checks makes sense to follow?
Does the Link ECU have any level of self diagnosis where the laptop can be used to view the ECU operation even before all interfaces are sorted out? Like a bringup tool of sorts?
 
DROVE 1 HOUR TO PLEASANT HILL, THINK THE FUN OF THE S38 BEAST TO DRIVE AROUND THERE.
ANYWAY, DROVE MY E36 318i THERE, ALL GOOOD, GOT TO 310KMILES WHICH IS HALF A FRIGGING MILLON MILES, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THE 318i WANTS A NEW 5 SPEED TRANSMISSION, IT IS STILL ORIGINAL. WELL, NOT NEW, ANOTHER LOWER MILEAGE TRANSMISSION. HELP.
IF YOU THINK MY CAPS LOCKS ARE LOCKED, SEE THE i in 318i. THEY ARE NOT, THIS IS JUST FOR CONTEXT. FIRST OFF, ALAN IS A GOOD
LISTENER, THERE WAS A BRAND NEW OPTIMA, WHICH IS WHAT I SUGGESTED FROM MY EXPERIENCE. SOME DONT LIKE OPTIMAS, BUT THE
RED MATCHES ALAN'S S38 COLOR SO THATS THAT, AND IN PH ONE DOES WHAT ONE WANTS.
SECOND FIRST OFF, ALAN INSTALLED THE NEW SMALLER STARTER THAT SOMEBODY SUGGESTED, ALL THERE.
LOTS OF GOOD WORK WENT INTO THE CAR, IT IS TIME TO GET IT TO MOVE. EVEN IF THE LAST 1% IS HARD.

TWO TASKS: GET THE STARTER TO CRANK, GET THE LINK ECU TO WORK. FORTUNATELY THE FIRST WAS NOT DONE YET SO I CAN AVOID THE SECOND WHICH IS ABOVE MY HEAD AND NOT LOSE FACE.

Starter saga: Followed the +12 from the trunk battery to a post in the firewall, to the starter +12V. Checked both voltage and continuity, it is there but the reading was not consistent and sometimes it wasn't. I think either the +12 or the ground are not solid. Even if they are I compare the thickness of my E39 M5 battery lines from the trunk and they are much more beefy (see third picture). Yes, it is a V8, but still. We did not have jumper cables to take the battery directly to the alternator.

The solenoid wire never gets +12V, and that is why the car never cranks with the ignition key. Alan followed the wire and it turns that it goes to a relay and not directly to the ignition key. Was a relay ever used? The wiring diagram has no such relay. It is a 74, maybe then? Help.
Alan plans to bypass the relay, so that will fix that.

Alan shorted the +12V at the starter to the solenoid post, then it briefly cranks but runs out of juice. I measured the voltage at the battery when he did that and it drops from 12.6V to 11V, so the battery needs to be recharged for sure. I never got to measure the voltage drop during the crank due to the wiring, but I suspect that may be a factor later on.

Alan reports being able to rotate the engine manually with a wrench applied to the alternator. That to me settles the issue of compression, a starter has more torque than most humans using a wrench, so I do not worry.

The suggested plan would be:
-charge the battery
-move the battery near the front and jumper cable both 12V and ground to the starter and engine block to see it it cranks non-stop while shorting the solenoid post to 12V.
-If that works, bypass the relay, move the 12V to just the starter but not the solenoid, see if it cranks using the ignition key.
-Move the battery to the trunk, see if it cranks non-stop, if it does not, rework the wiring for 12V and ground.

FRIGGING AUTO SPELLER CHANGES CRANK TO CRACK EVERY TIME AND I HAVE TO REWRITE IT ALL OVER< HATE STEVE JOBS AND HIS
PRODUCT AND THIS UPPER CASE SHIT. IT CHANGES RELAY INTO REALLY. REALLY STEVE?
 

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Highly recommend getting super flexible multi strand welding wire from any welding supply shop. You can get the lugs at napa or online.

 
Home run all 3 connections at starter to spare battery.

CRACK IT JACK!
whoops.…
crank it jake.. and never go to a spark fight without a spare battery, wire and jumper cables.

come by on way for loaners
 
Home run all 3 connections at starter to spare battery.

CRACK IT JACK!
whoops.…
crank it jake.. and never go to a spark fight without a spare battery, wire and jumper cables.

come by on way for loaners
The third connection does not matter as the coil is not wired yet. I was not expecting to get to spark or start. I was in search of the endless crank. I should write a book with that title. Sounds great.

Don, I was close to Alameda and thought of stopping by your shop afterwards, but I ended going to Cafe Europa in San Francisco for Borscht, Spatzle, and other Central European food. The place closes in 4 months as the landlord is getting rigid, the owner is a cool young guy from Belarus.
This is a plug for the place before it closes, no coil but at least one plug...
 
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Seems like you'd want to get any low voltage issues handled before dealing with the computer anyway.
Yes!!! Alan had the laptop connected to the ECU and talking to it. That is great, but I have enough laptops and IT in my life, so I did not even look at it.
Another crappy GUI to learn probably based on Windows 95, yikes. But I am speculating. Let's get the low voltage high current stuff working.
 
I would run run a wire from battery positive to solenoid terminal at 6:00 position, it should crank. There is no relay for the starter. I would also run an extra ground from valve cover to inner fender, i had to do this even though i was sure i had two good grounds as the starter clicked but wouldn’t crank. If car started life as an automatic there is a neutral safety relay under dash closest to firewall which needs to be jumped for key to work.
 
All the cars did not come with a starter relay BUT I put them in all my cars, takes the load off the ign switch contacts ( as if they aren't getting harder to find ) so finding one in this car should not be construed as bad or that old owner ( damn him ) wiring issue. Good luck and good on you to help out

Thanks, Rick
 
All the cars did not come with a starter relay BUT I put them in all my cars, takes the load off the ign switch contacts ( as if they aren't getting harder to find ) so finding one in this car should not be construed as bad or that old owner ( damn him ) wiring issue. Good luck and good on you to help out

Thanks, Rick
Agree, I have a relay for my starter for the above reasons and it puts full current to the solenoid while bypassing the ignition switch.
 
I would run run a wire from battery positive to solenoid terminal at 6:00 position, it should crank. There is no relay for the starter. I would also run an extra ground from valve cover to inner fender, i had to do this even though i was sure i had two good grounds as the starter clicked but wouldn’t crank. If car started life as an automatic there is a neutral safety relay under dash closest to firewall which needs to be jumped for key to work.
Great point. So did 4310316 start as automatic? I trust your database can answer that faster than I can ask :).
 
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