1974 BMW CSE

Discussion in 'E9 Projects and Restorations' started by JetDexter, Oct 8, 2018.

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    Philippe db Active Member

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    Something I'll never be able to understand but to each his own.
     
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    I think you have it backwards. There is always a stamp and sometimes there is a painted S.
     
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    JetDexter Member Site Donor

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    Interesting. I can't find either.

    I did have one guru tell me that if I spin the input shaft that generally speaking the output shafts will both spin the same direction for an LSD. These do pass that test, but otherwise, no S stamp or paint indication that I can find. (Though there is a considerable amount of grease to be cleared if I were to search the entire body- I haven't yet had the time to do that).

    Here is the top stamping BTW: diff-top.jpg
     
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    So.... hate to bring this up but, am I seeing what I think I am seeing here? Because if these are actually gaping rust holes in the frame rail, whether the diff is limited or not is going to be of fairly minor importance.


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    Spending $250 (at most) on frame rails shouldn’t diminish one’s desire to nail down drivetrain specifics. I have holes in my drivers frame rail and I’m not the least bit concerned.

    https://www.alfaparts.net/bmwcs.htm
     
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    Haha, yes, I think one topic doesn't affect the other:) True, the passenger rail is about shot and will be replaced. Probably the other side as well just to be wholistic about things.

    I am just wanting that diff to go to a good home, and if it's limited, then there are a lot of homes out there that would want it.

    That photo sure does look scary though! There's some work to be done to say the least.
     
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    Electric e9?

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    Oh, that's a bit mean...
     
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    Yes but I am laughing out loud in line at the grocery store! :D
     
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    I have a similar reaction to grocery shopping :)
     
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    I think the worse condition your car is in, the greater likelihood it would never have survived to a full rebuild. So the pics of this much rust, cancer, and bad old repairs probably make the purists more comfortable. Not bagging on the purists--90% of the people involved with E9s likely have a big % of purist in them--but these types of projects are perfect to save a car that might otherwise have been a donor or abandoned project with someone else.
     
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    Hi guys,
    Thanks again for all the banter. Great thoughts all around.

    I should have a full update next week, but after some time at work, we have made good progress tearing her down. Next week she goes off to be glass blasted and if I am lucky there will return with some factory metal to work with:)

    I am posting a few things in the classifieds. The Engine and tranny is taken (or at least a lowball offer has been made and tentatively accepted). I still have a nice fuel tank/sender and red cooling fan. Also my euro rear fog light and trim if someone might be interested in it. It is cool and euro, but I am opting for the cleaner look without it.

    Later for now-

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    I had a dream last night that my car arrived back from the glass blaster totally rust free.

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    The posts holding up the headrests would also be gone :eek:
     
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    Thanks Markos, I have my new frame rails arriving next week, along with new floors of course from my local guy. Now I gotta go watch that YouTube video on how to weld.
     
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    Here's another full update from the blog. Once again, it's written for the general public. You guys know these cars better than I or those that read the blog, so don't be too offended:)

    November was an extremely busy month outside of this project. We only were able to fit in a few half-day sessions on the car, but that was enough time to get her stripped down and sent off to be blasted.

    The Hanz and Franz Effect

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    Since Karmann had coach-built these cars for BMW, we discovered some very interesting peculiarities as we were disassembling. At the risk of sounding insensitive (but with a tribute to Saturday Night Live) we dubbed this the “Hanz and Frans” approach to building cars.

    The best we can tell, Hanz was responsible for the driver’s side, while Frans assembled the passenger side. Where Hanz would use a 5mm phillips screw to attach a bracket, Frans would use a 6mm hex bolt to attach the same bracket on his side. One might argue that this was not the case - instead attributing it to 44 years of repair work done by various people. Probably so. We prefer to imagine Hanz and Frans starting the day with a good strength workout, putting down plenty of sausage, then getting to work assembling the car each using whatever bin of fasteners they had handy.

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    The Quality and Design

    On the other hand, it was equally fascinating to discover some wonderful engineering and design. The dash for example. While it appears to be robust component, it is instead a series of small layered assemblies. The steel of the dash frame forms the entirety of the shape. Wonderfully high grade plywood forms the dash trim pieces themselves, and 44 years later, they are still in terrific condition.

    We bagged, tagged, binned, and categorized every part on the car. So many trim pieces are in terrific shape and can go right back on, while so many more will be cleaned, straightened, polished, painted, wrapped, powdered, or chromed.

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    We had great fun cutting away every bit of wiring in the car. One buddy that dropped by left in horror wondering how we were planning to recreate the wiring harness. We could hear him yelling as he drove off “So long suckas- have fun putting that back together!”

    We wanted to start fresh with the wiring for a few reasons: First, none of the wiring that had to do with the gas motor will apply. Second, we want to modernize how the lights and windows are powered. No longer does every light, motor and switch require several wires running to it. We will be running LEDS for nearly every light, so fewer, smaller gauge wires can be ran to just about everything. Finally, we need to account for the 12v side of the EV systems. For the combination of these reasons, we want to design an entirely new wiring schematic. The goal is that it will look like we bought and installed a modern factory wiring harness.

    Off to the Blaster

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    Finally, she was ready to head to the blasting shop. We agonized about removing the suspension and fabricating a dolly for her, but in the end we opted to send her off on her own tires. We will remove the suspension when she returns and finish grinding and sanding those last sections ourselves before we begin the metalwork.

    We can’t wait to see her return as bare metal. We have new floors and frame rails ready to weld in along with a number of other areas which we will better evaluate when the paint is off.

    Until next time!

    Paul
     
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