The end is near....SCOTTeVEST's Baby

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i had forgotten about the discussion around the 8k$ quote.

Originally I thought we were just blocking and spraying same colour.
I see there is more going on here but I don’t think there is going to much chasing and eradicating going on. Only outside surface.
It will be interesting to see what the future holds,for this car. Won’t it be difficult to keep rust at bay if you only do the outside of the car.
 
restart said:
i had forgotten about the discussion around the 8k$ quote.

Originally I thought we were just blocking and spraying same colour.
I see there is more going on here but I don’t think there is going to much chasing and eradicating going on. Only outside surface.
It will be interesting to see what the future holds,for this car. Won’t it be difficult to keep rust at bay if you only do the outside of the car.
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I have had the car I believe for about seven years. Upon receipt, there was VERY slight evidence of rust in the same areas that you see now.

It clearly got slightly worse over time but only very slightly. I believe the car was painted at least 10 years prior to that.

So I believe we are looking at a car that was not properly restored 17 years ago or so.

It looks pretty good generally speaking.

My goal is not to create a concourse level metal off restoration, but rather to put a very nice coat of paint on and dealing with any surface rust that is apparent and expect it to be nice for a decade or so before any attention is required.

Based upon the 17 year plus run so far I think that is not too much to ask that the next paint job last a decade or so.

Where we see Rust we are going to take care of it as best we can where necessary going only as deep as we have to but doing it properly but not hunting down every last possible evidence of rust

I may be wrong and I may regret this but I simply can’t afford a full restoration and frankly don’t think I need it.

Contrary thoughts are welcome though as I suspect one day I will do a full restoration but it is not today.


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PS: as you know I consider this car a daily driver during non-winter months and it has seen quite a bit of rain and some carwashes as well and yet the rust is not horrible in my opinion. I have never purposely taking it out in the rain but I also have never panicked when it has been exposed to rain. I never drive it in the winter because frankly I don’t want to get into an accident. I live in the ski resort and snow is always here with icy roads


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restart said:
Wow!
17 years ownership.
That is awesome. I somehow thought you had just bought the car.
Makes more sense now.
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I purchased the car seven years ago or so if memory serves me but it had not been painted for at least 10 years prior to that so the paint job has lasted 17 years


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Scott
Here is a fat point that should make you feel pretty good.

I just spent $7k on my Alfa race car repaint, using a lower end car restorer ($60/hr), It wasn’t enough $ for a full bare metal repaint., and We skipped the doors and hood. Plus, we had to use a little more mud than I’d want for a street car restoration. FWIW, car has minimal trim (no bumpers, side markers, no glass or upper trim being a spider, no interior, etc), and zero rust (race car since new in 1957). So the $7k was all spent on de-denting the body and single-stage painting. I think another $1.5k would’ve been enough to do the doors and hood. I think a similar job on an street E9 with two stage paint would’ve been $12k.

So you are doing REALLY WELL in terms of cost/value. I’d it weren’t for shipping costs we’d be sending cars to your part of the country.

John
 
bfeng said:
Scott
Here is a fat point that should make you feel pretty good.

I just spent $7k on my Alfa race car repaint, using a lower end car restorer ($60/hr), It wasn’t enough $ for a full bare metal repaint., and We skipped the doors and hood. Plus, we had to use a little more mud than I’d want for a street car restoration. FWIW, car has minimal trim (no bumpers, side markers, no glass or upper trim being a spider, no interior, etc), and zero rust (race car since new in 1957). So the $7k was all spent on de-denting the body and single-stage painting. I think another $1.5k would’ve been enough to do the doors and hood. I think a similar job on an street E9 with two stage paint would’ve been $12k.

So you are doing REALLY WELL in terms of cost/value. I’d it weren’t for shipping costs we’d be sending cars to your part of the country.

John
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John, agreed, if it all works out as planned, I think I am getting a good deal by a great shop who is committed to doing it right, short of bare metal restore. The agreement is below, and I will find out how much more the "new" rust repair will cost along with engine compartment repaint. I don't know what to expect but guessing $1500 more than originally budgeted. Stay tuned. If it turns out as I hope, perhaps it would make sense to ship cars here to him...

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Here is a short video showing what needs to be done, noting that the doors have since been adjusted.
Do you want me to swing by beforehand and discuss this in person. If you can do everything we discussed in person, including:
  • Install supplied chrome Bumpers
  • paint and install front chin spoiler
  • paint engine bay EXTRA
  • 2 rust spots that I know of
  • removed front and rear window glass/trim with new rubber if needed
  • minor hood alignment
  • polish the chrome trim around windows
  • install side view mirror for passenger and move drivers side forward
  • minor issues, e.g. wheel wheel, rear tail wavy
  • remove and reinstall beltline belt trim
For the $8500 quoted below, then I will go with you for this work.
 
Strip it to bare metal. You would be amazed what is under the Bondo. I think you will be happier in the long run.
Just my opinion from my experience. More expensive but a more solid result.
 
Stan said:
Strip it to bare metal. You would be amazed what is under the Bondo. I think you will be happier in the long run.
Just my opinion from my experience. More expensive but a more solid result.
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While I am tempted to do so, I don't want to open that can of worms now. I can open it in 10 years when I am ready for a full restoration, but for now, I just want a driver that looks unbelievable.

Having said that, the mechanics are all tip top, having replaced the carbs with new, and a whole bunch of other things too, so I have no doubt that if i did spend the money for bare metal restoration, based upon the values I am seeing on BAT, etc., I would likely get my money back, BUT I would be too scared to drive it and have no intention of ever selling it
 
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something wrong here with the page #.... ? to answer your question , not much ! in 2 weeks just some cut out pieces. 1/2 day work.
 
sorry Scott, i got as it seemed, page 3 as 4 ... no big deal. Now it is OK !

now , to be on topic... after 2 weeks they worked 1/2 day on the body ? is this what you expected ?
I sure hope you are right with estimate 1500$ surplus...... i don't think so. :rolleyes:
 
Belgiumbarry said:
sorry Scott, i got as it seemed, page 3 as 4 ... no big deal. Now it is OK !

now , to be on topic... after 2 weeks they worked 1/2 day on the body ? is this what you expected ?
I sure hope you are right with estimate 1500$ surplus...... i don't think so. :rolleyes:
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I was in no rush to get everything completed because I really can’t drive the car much until winter is over. The play is actually helping me as I would otherwise have to find a place to store the vehicle

What is your best guess on the additional work for the remediation?


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off topic... i get "alerts" dubbel on here... see, something strange going on. Ok, it's over the pond :D

Scott ,sorry, i can't answer this , i don't know the shop..... but i assume for a extra cost of "only" 1500$ he would have daire to given a ball park figure in the clip .... no ? Myself, wouldn't thrust it..... as i ever did with my sailboat , i asked every week a status cost and payed.... so i could see what was done and how far i was in budget. I do not like the big surprize at the end.... because at that point they likely don't see you back ... just make profit once. But again, i don't know those guys , and can be very , very wrong.
 
Belgiumbarry said:
off topic... i get "alerts" dubbel on here... see, something strange going on. Ok, it's over the pond :D

Scott ,sorry, i can't answer this , i don't know the shop..... but i assume for a extra cost of "only" 1500$ he would have daire to given a ball park figure in the clip .... no ? Myself, wouldn't thrust it..... as i ever did with my sailboat , i asked every week a status cost and payed.... so i could see what was done and how far i was in budget. I do not like the big surprize at the end.... because at that point they likely don't see you back ... just make profit once. But again, i don't know those guys , and can be very , very wrong.
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I agree. I am trying to get him to commit to an amount and soon to avoid surprises. Hopefully, he will confirm on Monday. I think it is impacted by what parts he can buy from w&n vs. what he will have to make.
 
fingers crossed for Monday ! i found he's smiling alot... and doesn't know much after 2 weeks ... OK for a amateur DIY , not for a prof shop ???
 
Belgiumbarry said:
fingers crossed for Monday ! i found he's smiling alot... and doesn't know much after 2 weeks ... OK for a amateur DIY , not for a prof shop ???
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Sent this email just now:
Please let me know what parts from that website you want me to order and approx added costs for the rust areas that you discovered.

Parts may take time to ship from Europe so I want to get an order in soon, and would like to budget for the additional expenses and avoid surprises before we get too deep.

Please also confirm you have all the needed brackets to mount the chrome bumpers.

Thanks. Let me know when I can swing by next week to film/photo any progress.

Thanks much!

Scott
 
i hope for you all comes as expected ! And you must not fall into a money pit starting with a low budget repaint into a in deep rust repair... ok, for so far you want it done . I know the feeling , once in a shop , it's tempting to agree with that & that & that ...you want the best for your E9 ..... but there's a invoice at the end .... on the other hand , i also understand prof's... they don't want to paint perfect ... on rust :eek:

demand transparency ... costs so far . Every week. :)
 
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